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(Original post by satisfactionatlast)
I'm confused here. What are you trying to say?

I find it highly amusing that you demand non-Muslims to keep their opinions to themselves, but seem to have no problem with the Islamic practise of Dawah, which constantly shoves Islam down peoples' throats.

[B-Man.]

(Original post by S-man10)
It isn't about just 'listening to music'. There are many more examples of Hypocritic acts I mentioned above:

Muslim boyfriend won't kiss non-muslim girlfriend because she ate bacon

Drunk muslims fighting over which part of islam are right and wrong, then arguing if meat is halal or not.

Girlfriend withholds sex in anger from boyfriend because she accidentally was fed non-halal meat

Moderate muslims? More like hypocrites

They might be hypocrites, but they are definitley Muslims (accept validity of Islam) who are moderate in their observance of Islam.

One of the funniest examples I saw was last week:

Friends' BB status "Just got back from Jumma."
2 minutes later ... not realising it broadcasts what video he's playing:
"Is watching Bangbros Hardcore"

[.eXe]

(Original post by B-Man.)
They might be hypocrites, but they are definitley Muslims (accept validity of Islam) who are moderate in their observance of Islam.

One of the funniest examples I saw was last week:

Friends' BB status "Just back from Jumma."
2 minutes later ... not realising it broadcasts what video he's playing:
"Is watching Bangbros Hardcore"

And in your eyes and in the eyes of God, he is muslim?

If only Islam were that liberal

[MAbdulle]

(Original post by satisfactionatlast)
She's clearly deluded, ignorant, and disrespectful of Islam and the Prophet. No matter what your opinions are, keep them to yourselves. You don't have to be so rude and offensive like that. It seriously made my blood boil!

Someone who had morals ! Thank you ! I realised how everyday is commenting about how much they hate her and how she should die/commit suicide/be killed even though it goes against the teachings of Islam.

[.eXe]

(Original post by killa78)
I do
Majority of other muslims do as well.

Unless it comes to the killing of innocents and defaming the the religion.
Even then I don't really actively engage in protest but we have a right to speak out.
No?

There is a difference between speaking out and flying planes into buildings. Because let's face it...that's exactly why the terrorists did that. Their justification was...America is occupying our lands and thus the infidels must die. That can hardly be called "speaking out".

Also, I should mention that the terrorists in Islam would consider liberal muslims like yourself to be non-muslims because you are directly disobeying what your god has commanded you to do.

[killa78]

(Original post by .eXe)
There is a difference between speaking out and flying planes into buildings. Because let's face it...that's exactly why the terrorists did that. Their justification was...America is occupying our lands and thus the infidels must die. That can hardly be called "speaking out".

Also, I should mention that the terrorists in Islam would consider liberal muslims like yourself to be non-muslims because you are directly disobeying what your god has commanded you to do.

So now every muslim is a terrorist and only their interpretation of Islam is correct?

[satisfactionatlast]

(Original post by B-Man.)
The irony of you using this thread to express an opinion is hillarious.

(Original post by B-Man.)
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony

The irony of you using the dictionary

[.eXe]

(Original post by killa78)
So now every muslim is a terrorist and only their interpretation of Islam is correct?

I said the terrorists would say that...you just ignored the beginning of that sentence.

Also, the point I am making is, in Islam muslims are supposed to be oppressive and exercise dominance over other people, because they are following the example of mohammad and he used to do those things. Also, muslims can justify literally any horrible thing they do by using the quran....there are a billion different interpretations and each is worse than the prior.

As an aside, do you deny that Islam advocates for the Sharia to be the law of the entire world, for every single person whether they are muslim or not? Does Islam respect other people's religions? If yes, show me where it says that. Because only one of those can be true, they are contradictory.

[Reform]

(Original post by B-Man.)
She didn't say that she questioned her faith based of Bin Laden's actions.
She said that she questioned her faith because she read Islamic scripture to verify Bin Laden's lectures containing quotes from scripture and stopped believing because she supposedly found those quotes in there.



You mean the CIA & MI5 aren't paying you to critique Islam

Ayaan's prejudice against Muslims became evident when she said "A moderate Muslim is something close to an oxy-moron." So she deserves the title of Islamophobe, even if some of her critics apply it to her erroneously. Almost everything she says seems to revolve more around the supposed evil of the adherents than the faith.

Her faith was already in doubt though. would you not agree? Bin Ladens quote was used for his agenda but the Quran wasn't revealed for that reason. For her to leave the religion because of this shows her lack of faith.

[Reform]

(Original post by S-man10)
It's funny how you go on about everyone who is a critic of islam to be an "islamophobe", when it is actually your inability to accept the world around you is changing, so it fair to label you as a "worldophobe" i.e. one who wants to stay backwards and hates current society and is completely against societal change and doesn't even know what "ethics" accurately means



No, they didn't sell anything. They left because they thought it was made up and a load of bull.



Yes you would. You would question the ethics of such a religion which continually used to justify immoral and unethical actions, a religion which has no basis and is merely fictional.



What are they supposed to do then, sit at home and pick their nose?

The individual can choose to live however they want to now they have left Islam. They don't have to go running to the media defaming the religion. They do that for controversy and for fame/money.

Whatever the reason, they can just continue life as it was before (excluding anything Islamic) and die however they please. Not make one big fuss.

[Reform]

(Original post by .eXe)
I said the terrorists would say that...you just ignored the beginning of that sentence.

Also, the point I am making is, in Islam muslims are supposed to be oppressive and exercise dominance over other people, because they are following the example of mohammad and he used to do those things. Also, muslims can justify literally any horrible thing they do by using the quran....there are a billion different interpretations and each is worse than the prior.

As an aside, do you deny that Islam advocates for the Sharia to be the law of the entire world, for every single person whether they are muslim or not? Does Islam respect other people's religions? If yes, show me where it says that. Because only one of those can be true, they are contradictory.

Go read up on the companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and what they used to do.

They never used to go around the streets asking people to converts. Instead, they'll be in the mosque and people would come and CHOOSE to convert.

You cannot force religion on a person which automatically means Islam has respect for other religions in the sense that it doesn't force those believing in other religions to change.

[.eXe]

(Original post by Reform)
The individual can choose to live however they want to now they have left Islam. They don't have to go running to the media defaming the religion. They do that for controversy and for fame/money.

Whatever the reason, they can just continue life as it was before (excluding anything Islamic) and die however they please. Not make one big fuss.

Lol I love how you totally ignored everything he said and just highlighted the one obviously facetious statement and responded to it

[S-man10]

(Original post by Reform)
The individual can choose to live however they want to now they have left Islam. They don't have to go running to the media defaming the religion. They do that for controversy and for fame/money.

Whatever the reason, they can just continue life as it was before (excluding anything Islamic) and die however they please. Not make one big fuss.

Same thing with muslim people who convert, no need to shove it down our throats about how supposedly good islam is when you convert

They are speaking out on what they think, which is its a load of fiction that occupied the better part of their lives and helping other people realise that. Criticising religion, hardly controversial and for fame and money. With these day the some of the crazy muslim running around waiting to kill anyone who speaks out against islam, it takes courage to criticise it in public.

[Nightstar-27]

I'm pretty neutral towards her but as I'm not a Muslim I won't vote on the poll and skew the results. I can see why Muslims might be offended by her words as she seems to extremely hate Islam and tbf I can also see why she is against some of the aspects that are in some of the cultures that are predominately Islamic. It appears she has experienced some very negative things in her own culture that have upset her and then later on researched similar things in other Islamic cultures and read the reasonings that some Muslims that have committed evil and cruel have put forward for their actions. I don't think it is right for her to say that Islam should be abolished and that all Muslims are extreme, you can very easily follow the Quran and live in a Western society (the Quran is meant to be complete anyways so you can ignore the other scriptures created after the Quran), though I have no problem with her highlighting some of the negative aspects of Islamic cultures that need to be changed if these people want to live in Western society.

What am I negged for? Saying there are negative things in some Islamic cultures or saying that Islams shouldn't be abolished and Muslims can live in Western society whilst following their religion?

[ChocolatePearl]

(Original post by .eXe)
I dont agree with all her views but i do agree with her views on islam. She does speak from experience and knows more than just your average tsr user.

Edit: lol why the negs? Apparently you children don't understand that the topic of this thread is a question, and I was just answering that question.

She does not ''speak from experience'' at all! Most of the stuff she has against Islam (her supposed ''forced marriage'' etc. etc.) were all lies! She even lied about her name! She was a member of the Dutch parliament but when they found out the true extent of her lies they were prepared to kick her out of the country.

[.eXe]

(Original post by Reform)
Go read up on the companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and what they used to do.

They never used to go around the streets asking people to converts. Instead, they'll be in the mosque and people would come and CHOOSE to convert.

You cannot force religion on a person which automatically means Islam has respect for other religions in the sense that it doesn't force those believing in other religions to change.

Well that's all nice and stuff but you haven't answered my question.

In any case I won't push it. I have another question though: if as you say, people are free to convert into Islam, are they also free to convert out of Islam and become apostates like Ms. Hirsi Ali?

[Reform]

(Original post by .eXe)
Lol I love how you totally ignored everything he said and just highlighted the one obviously facetious statement and responded to it

I don't really see the point in arguing about the validity of Islam. That leaves us with the fact she sold out.

That perhaps may have been a potential reason.

The last statement was the one I addressed

[Reform]

(Original post by .eXe)
Well that's all nice and stuff but you haven't answered my question.

In any case I won't push it. I have another question though: if as you say, people are free to convert into Islam, are they also free to convert out of Islam and become apostates like Ms. Hirsi Ali?

They can do as they please.

What exactly was your first question?

[.eXe]

(Original post by Reform)
They can do as they please.

What exactly was your first question?

Scroll back up and read it.

And in response to your above statement, please tell me how Sharia is supposed to treat apostates because what you just said goes against your own Islamic law (hope you realize this).

[Reform]

(Original post by .eXe)
Scroll back up and read it.

And in response to your above statement, please tell me how Sharia is supposed to treat apostates because what you just said goes against your own Islamic law (hope you realize this).

If Sharia is established with a Caliphate an apostate is given 3 days to repent.

They can either return to the religion, die or pretend they're part of the religion. Now if they choose the third option, they can do whatever they want to do at home. Spying / looking through peoples windows is forbidden in Islam.