[Reform]

(Original post by .eXe)
LOL.

Seriously, why do you even post here

To be perfectly honest, your intention from the start was to show that Islam has a death penalty for certain actions. Can you really go ahead and deny that?

I agreed and then you pretty much replied with sarcasm implying you have nothing more to say.

If you have any more issues with Islam in general feel free to let me know.

[.eXe]

(Original post by Reform)
To be perfectly honest, your intention from the start was to show that Islam has a death penalty for certain actions. Can you really go ahead and deny that?

I agreed and then you pretty much replied with sarcasm implying you have nothing more to say.

If you have any more issues with Islam in general feel free to let me know.

Um no actually the part about showing that Islam has death penalty for apostates was incidental. My main goal was to show that Islam doesn't allow people to leave the faith (thereby infringing on their rights and freedoms). Muslims keep advocating their religion as fair, just and peaceful. I wanted you to prove otherwise to me (and you evidently did, so gracefully).

I believe you have helped me sufficiently in showing my point

Although, it seems your fellow muslims disagree with you. Here have a look:

(Original post by GrowingNinja)
Nowhere in the Quran does it say that the punishment for apostasy is death so please get off your anti-islam websites and ask people who actually know stuff about the religion? This death punishment that everyone talks about is only a few scholars opinion of what the punishment should be, but nowhere in Islam does it advocate death!

[ChocolatePearl]

(Original post by The Patriot)
I'm not a Muslim, but the thread was interesting, so I thought I would throw in my opinion which is that she is great! We need more people like her because she isn't scared to say something anti-religion.

Far too many people are too scared to offend, when what most people class as 'offensive' is actually just 'challenging'. People are too easily 'offended', when really they aren't hurt, just annoyed someone has dared challenge them.

If she didn't base her hatred for Islam on her own fake experiences I don't think I'd have a problem with her. If she was against Islam I wouldn't have a problem with her. But she is just a big hypocrite. She says Islam is a fascist religion yet she is prepared to go at war with Islam using the military if necessary. Imagine tanks rolling down the street in the UK in search for a Muslim. and not just the terrorists, all the muslims. She's just ridiculous.

Her ideology is just as dangerous as the terrorists she opposes. (see Mr Breivik)

[Reform]

(Original post by .eXe)
Um no actually the part about showing that Islam has death penalty for apostates was incidental. My main goal was to show that Islam doesn't allow people to leave the faith (thereby infringing on their rights and freedoms). Muslims keep advocating their religion as fair, just and peaceful. I wanted you to prove otherwise to me (and you evidently did, so gracefully).

I believe you have helped me sufficiently in showing my point

Although, it seems your fellow muslims disagree with you. Here have a look:

Even so, from the very beginning you had a negative agenda. You asked me a question, I responded.

Both the words just and peaceful are subjective. Our sources of both words are based from the Quran and Sunnah while you deem your words from experience I'm assuming?

My fellow Muslim might or might not agree with me. At the end of the day, they're still my brothers/ sisters in faith.

[PandyAndy]

(Original post by satisfactionatlast)
Did you seriously just say that?
There is a difference between Dawah and refraining from saying negative verbal offensive things like what this stupid woman said about the Prophet and Islam.

By keeping their opinions to themselves, I meant for them to shut up about saying rude things; if you have something nice to say, then say it, or else don't say it. Tell me how this is like Dawah??!

Can you lie or mislead people during Dawah?

[yusra121]

(Original post by .eXe)
Moderate muslims drink, may eat non-halal food, may have sex before marriage, may not beat their wife if she does something wrong, may not advocate for jihad, may not follow Sharia, etc, etc, etc.

All of those things are non-Islamic because if you are a muslim you must not drink, not have sex before marriage, you must eat halal food, you should beat your wife if she acts up/disobeys, jihad is part of your life because you must fight against the infidels and you must follow the Sharia as a way of life.

Please tell me which of the above is wrong.

Listen up. A someone who considers being a Muslim WILL NOT beat his wife up because in Islam it says a women must be treated with dignity and respect if she obeys or disobeys. A women in Islam is not an object you own so therefore you have no right what so ever to harm her in any way. Secondly learn the meaning of Jihad it doesn't mean to go and "fight against the infidels", it means to protect yourself and your family and your religion if someone comes and physically harms you inside your home. Thirdly you cannot say someone is a non-muslim if they consider themselves a Muslim or a Moderate/liberal Muslim at the end of the day they believe in god and say they are Muslims you don't have the right to say they are non-muslims it's between them and their god ONLY please get your information correct before you start talking

[The Patriot]

(Original post by ChocolatePearl)
If she didn't base her hatred for Islam on her own fake experiences I don't think I'd have a problem with her. If she was against Islam I wouldn't have a problem with her. But she is just a big hypocrite. She says Islam is a fascist religion yet she is prepared to go at war with Islam using the military if necessary. Imagine tanks rolling down the street in the UK in search for a Muslim. and not just the terrorists, all the muslims. She's just ridiculous.

Her ideology is just as dangerous as the terrorists she opposes. (see Mr Breivik)

I would argue that the ideology is valid, provided it is exercised peacefully. That is, education, and a lack of tolerance on illiberal activities.

[ChocolatePearl]

(Original post by S-man10)
B-man at the start of this thread thinks otherwise... who is right?

That's the whole problem with the ''moderate'' Muslim argument. Islam like most other Abrahamic religions can be interpreted in many ways. Some Muslims think wearing a burka/niqab is compulsory, others think listening to music is OK. Neither is actually mentioned in the Qu'ran, neither is killing an apostate etc.
With that being said, to say that MOST Muslims do all the known haraam things (e.g. mentioned in the Quran) is just silly. I'm sure some do, but the vast majority don't. What would be the point of being a Muslim if you did do haraam things on purpose on a regular basis).

[FrigidSymphony]

She is a strong woman and should be listened to, especially since she's making the TSR apologists so damn uncomfortable.

[ChocolatePearl]

(Original post by The Patriot)
I would argue that the ideology is valid, provided it is exercised peacefully. That is, education, and a lack of tolerance on illiberal activities.

How is ''going to war using the military'' in any way shape or form peaceful.

[Obscenedilemma]

She's an attention whore, simple as.

Only reason why she's taking part in this crusade against islam is because of the money and attention she's receiving. Yes she has to have security agents around her pretty much all the time but last time I heard, she's got a high flying job with the american enterprise institute. I say if you're going to criticise a religion, criticise every religion not just one.

[.eXe]

All this poll shows is that 70% of voters are muslim.

[satisfactionatlast]

(Original post by PandyAndy)
Can you lie or mislead people during Dawah?

ofc not! The whole point of it is "Dawah", which means "invitation" in English. It's purely based on good intentions. What you and many ignorant non- Muslims fail to understand is that Islam does not "shove its religion down people's throats". On the contrary, it does not believe in forcing religion on people. It just informs people about Islam, and then it is up to that person to choose to believe in Islam or not. You're free to accept it or reject it. Like an invitation to a birthday party. You can either "accept" the invitation and come or "reject" it. Same thing with Islam. Got it?

[Xotol]

(Original post by .eXe)
All this poll shows is that 70% of voters are muslim.

There's nothing wrong with the fact that she disagrees with Islam and voices her views about it, but some of those views are too extreme (military... wtf?).

[S-man10]

(Original post by ChocolatePearl)
That's the whole problem with the ''moderate'' Muslim argument. Islam like most other Abrahamic religions can be interpreted in many ways. Some Muslims think wearing a burka/niqab is compulsory, others think listening to music is OK. Neither is actually mentioned in the Qu'ran, neither is killing an apostate etc.
With that being said, to say that MOST Muslims do all the known haraam things (e.g. mentioned in the Quran) is just silly. I'm sure some do, but the vast majority don't. What would be the point of being a Muslim if you did do haraam things on purpose on a regular basis).

It's funny this, how an argument like this crumbles on its foundation. A religion which claims to know "the truth" can't even decide it between itself what it is

Actually, you'd be surprised how many do. Today's muslim youth especially but I'm not the one to judge, they are all good humans as far as I'm concerned. See some of the ridiculous examples I gave at the beginning of the thread.

[In2deep]

(Original post by S-man10)
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You used to back up your points and produce great arguments with little bias but now you just sprout inflammatory statements just for the sake of it? You've almost become those you seem to dislike the most..

[In2deep]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
She's an Islamaphobe. She (if it's even true) has faced certain experiences in her own messed up culture, which as a means of seeking attentions she's attributed towards religion.

Blaming her culture is just as ridiculous as blaming her religion, something you oppose and rightly so. It is clear to everyone that she has no credibility, her own personal history has caused her to extrapolate and blame a whole religion and when she found willing ears to listen to her sob story, she milked it for all its worth. She is a liar but don't let me stand in the way of idiots calling for her to be regarded as some sort of hero.

[PandyAndy]

(Original post by satisfactionatlast)
ofc not! The whole point of it is "Dawah", which means "invitation" in English. It's purely based on good intentions. What you and many ignorant non- Muslims fail to understand is that Islam does not "shove its religion down people's throats". On the contrary, it does not believe in forcing religion on people. It just informs people about Islam, and then it is up to that person to choose to believe in Islam or not. You're free to accept it or reject it. Like an invitation to a birthday party. You can either "accept" the invitation and come or "reject" it. Same thing with Islam. Got it?

I never stated any point, so no idea why you'd lump me in with "ignorant non-Muslims".

I only asked because yesterday I watched a video in which a Muslim apparently approached a man on the street and used the "science" of the Qur'an during this Dawah. This to me is misleading, and maybe even lying.

[S-man10]

(Original post by In2deep)
You used to back up your points and produce great arguments with little bias but now you just sprout inflammatory statements just for the sake of it? You've almost become those you seem to dislike the most..

I'm sorry if I came across as harsh, but inflammatory? Where exactly? If you are referring to me calling it fiction or a load of bull then tbf I'm merely stating in the view point of Ayaan-al-Hirsi and responding to reform's sentiments.

And no, not just for the sake of it.

[ChocolatePearl]

(Original post by In2deep)
Blaming her culture is just as ridiculous as blaming her religion, something you oppose and rightly so. It is clear to everyone that she has no credibility, her own personal history has caused her to extrapolate and blame a whole religion and when she found willing ears to listen to her sob story, she milked it for all its worth. She is a liar but don't let me stand in the way of idiots calling for her to be regarded as some sort of hero.

Oh no its even worse than that...

She actually MADE UP her sob-story based off entirely of the sob-story of another very famous Somali lady (Waris Dirie). When the Dutch government found out she lied about EVERYTHING (fgm, forced wedding etc.) they wanted to kick her out of the country.

So she is purposely incriminating Islam without having experienced anything remotely bad in her own life.