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    (Original post by Mr Dangermouse)
    No.
    What do you oppose?
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    (Original post by Mr Dangermouse)
    No.
    Do you have anything else to contribute?
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    What do you oppose?
    HS2 is awesome.
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    (Original post by stanlas)
    This petition calls upon the government to:
    1) Re-examine its commitment to the 'High Speed 2' railway project, following claims that the benefits have been overstated

    2) Provide an extra £200 million over the next ten years for the creation of the 'Strategic Freight Network' project

    3) Provide £560 million for the Manchester Hub project

    4) Provide £500 million for the electrification of the East Midlands line

    Why re-examine High Speed 2?
    Although the RL government has claimed that the £33 billion project could bring benefits of up to £47 billion, this has come under fierce criticism. It is clear that more reaserch is needed before embarking on such an expensive project, in case it turns out to be a white elephant.

    What is the Strategic Freight Network?
    It is quite simply a plan to increase the efficiency of freight transport in the UK: see here. Some £200 million has already been allocated at the time of writting, but it is thought that more money will be needed to make it effective

    Manchester Hub
    According to this and this, the £560 million project could bring 30,000 jobs in the North, economic benefits of £4.2 billion and increase capacity by 3.5 million per year. It is also important to note that transport spending in the North is currently significantly lower than around London

    East Midlands line
    See here for more detail on this project. According to reasarch, the comparative fuel cost per mile is 47p for diesel compared with 26p for electric, while track wear and tear per mile is 9.8p for diesel and 8.5p for electric.
    1) In its RL form i oppose it. It needs to be maglev at that speed and it needs to go further (Glasgow-Edinburgh-Newcastle-Leeds-Birmingham-London-Southhampton plus Manchester-Birmingham-London-Southhampton and potentially Swansea-Cardiff-Birmingham), basically a much wider and more integrated network.

    In addition i can promise you that this government is not stumping up £30bn without hefty private sector involvement.

    2, 3 and 4) Consider with private sector involvment
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    (Original post by Mr Dangermouse)
    HS2 is awesome.
    Yes it is. I do not want it to be re-examined because it will delay it.
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    (Original post by Mr Dangermouse)
    HS2 is awesome.
    I'm not saying its not. Its just that there has been a lot of criticism and credible claims that the benefits have been overstated. As this is such a huge investment (£33 billion), I see no harm in delaying it a bit more just to be absolutely certain whether or not it is the right thing to invest it.
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    Before even considering the major cities, the far South West and Wales are in urgent needs of refurbishment
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    QFA
    So is 1) the clause you disagree with?
    If yes, then it shouldn't be problem. This is a petition and hence non-binding, so changes may be made between this and the final Bill- in the Research petition I originally included a competivity website idea, which I dropped in the final Bill due to some criticism).
    Ultimately, whether or not this petition passes the decision on HS2 will be up to the transport secretary and the Coalition's budget.
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    (Original post by stanlas)
    So is 1) the clause you disagree with?
    If not, then it shouldn't be problem. This is a petition and hence non-binding, so changes may be made between this and the final Bill- in the Research petition I originally included a competivity website idea, which I dropped in the final Bill due to some criticism).
    Ultimately, whether or not this petition passes the decision on HS2 will be up to the transport secretary and the Coalition's budget.
    I have stated my objections.
    The Transport Secretary is not interested, that is the impression I am getting.

    EU TEN-T Funding for HS2?
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    (Original post by gagaslilmonsteruk)
    Before even considering the major cities, the far South West and Wales are in urgent needs of refurbishment
    One of the many reasons i advocate extending HS2 to include Wales.
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    (Original post by gagaslilmonsteruk)
    Before even considering the major cities, the far South West and Wales are in urgent needs of refurbishment
    Are there any specific projects in that area which need funding?

    (Original post by Metrobeans)
    QFA
    Is it possible to amend a petition before voting begins?
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    (Original post by stanlas)
    I'm not saying its not. Its just that there has been a lot of criticism and credible claims that the benefits have been overstated. As this is such a huge investment (£33 billion), I see no harm in delaying it a bit more just to be absolutely certain whether or not it is the right thing to invest it.
    Ignoring the fact that the TSR government would not contribute a full £33bn to it anyway i do support the RL coalition assessment of the benefits.

    The vast majority of opposition is from NIMBY'S who believe that 2 metal lines will spoil their countryside.

    People also need to remember that the real money spinner here is not domestic travel but the link to HS1 which has European train operators gagging as you could potentially go from Manchester to Paris in about 3 hours ect...
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    (Original post by stanlas)
    So is 1) the clause you disagree with?
    If yes, then it shouldn't be problem. This is a petition and hence non-binding, so changes may be made between this and the final Bill- in the Research petition I originally included a competivity website idea, which I dropped in the final Bill due to some criticism).
    Ultimately, whether or not this petition passes the decision on HS2 will be up to the transport secretary and the Coalition's budget.
    Funding for HS2 will not be in the next budget due to the time required for rail reform and the time needed to propose an adequate solution.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Funding for HS2 will not be in the next budget due to the time required for rail reform and the time needed to propose an adequate solution.
    Ah. In that case clause 1) is redundant if there is no immediate plan anyway.
    I've asked the speaker if it is possible to ammend the petition, or if I need to resubmit it again.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    One of the many reasons i advocate extending HS2 to include Wales.
    LOL, I'm not in Cardiff or Swansea haha. In Mid-Wales, we have one service every 2 hours to Birmingham (it's 6 hours to London with a change - which is rare unless you live in northern Scotland where you change at Inverness) which is 2 carriages and takes 3 and a half hours. They said once the Welsh assembly raise enough money it will be hourly, but I can't see that being anytime soon.
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    (Original post by stanlas)
    Ah. In that case clause 1) is redundant if there is no immediate plan anyway.
    I've asked the speaker if it is possible to ammend the petition, or if I need to resubmit it again.
    No need to change it as it could be taken on later in the term (or something similar) but as a petition people should not be voting it down due to one specific anyway.
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    The railways were first built by private companies, these had cheap fares rather than the joke price system we have today. It is my intention to remove any state involvement from rail in order to bring it back to prosperity.
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    (Original post by internetguru)
    The railways were first built by private companies, these had cheap fares rather than the joke price system we have today. It is my intention to remove any state involvement from rail in order to bring it back to prosperity.
    I am sorry but you are out of depth, there should be some State involvement with regards to the Railways. Any attempts, I will be voting against.

    IRL it is Franchises, procurement and infrastructure at the moment.
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    I am sorry but you are out of depth, there should be some State involvement with regards to the Railways. Any attempts, I will be voting against.

    IRL it is Franchises, procurement and infrastructure at the moment.
    Why were cheap prices possible before but not possible now? The only explanation is the state.

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