Will Eminem be remembered as a Music great?
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Re: Will Eminem be remembered as a Music great?This isnt a competition who has emceed and who hasnt.(Original post by ugk4life)
yo wheres those vanilla ice tracks man?
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Re: Will Eminem be remembered as a Music great?(Original post by ak137)
Err, yes I do know the overview of the rap/hip hop/grime scene, even beyond that. You dont need a PHD to comment on rap, you just need a sufficient knowledge of rap more than the average joe has. Sorry, you just happen to be an average joe. -
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Re: Will Eminem be remembered as a Music great?im just sayin he is more than 'just a rapper' and is a bona fide musician.(Original post by Hylean)
Good, but not a great.
And? What exactly has Eminem brought to the art form to deserve being elevated past "rap great" to "music great"? Nothing that I can see. -
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Re: Will Eminem be remembered as a Music great?They do mean SOMETHING, in that you are well regarded by the "experts" in your field. Yes, awards and actually being popular are two different things, but we already KNOW that eminem is extremely popular, so was just pointed out that he is well regarded by said experts.(Original post by vedderfan94)
Awards mean nothing. The Velvet Underground have influenced so many artists in rock, it's incredible how their albums flopped on the Billboard charts back in the 60s. Eminem is brilliant though. -
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Re: Will Eminem be remembered as a Music great?By that logic, Lil Wayne is an "expert", because he is very popular today, right? That's rubbish. The guy probably has an IQ of about 50.(Original post by dgeorge)
They do mean SOMETHING, in that you are well regarded by the "experts" in your field. Yes, awards and actually being popular are two different things, but we already KNOW that eminem is extremely popular, so was just pointed out that he is well regarded by said experts. -
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Re: Will Eminem be remembered as a Music great?i know but you laughed when i compared vanilla ice to flo rida when really they are in the same vein of making pop tracks rather than traditional hip hop.
since you laughed i thought you were gonna back your argument up. -
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Re: Will Eminem be remembered as a Music great?Are you serious? Awards, record sales don't mean ****. There are plenty of other rappers that haven't achieved the status Eminem has but are better than him.(Original post by dgeorge)
They do mean SOMETHING, in that you are well regarded by the "experts" in your field. Yes, awards and actually being popular are two different things, but we already KNOW that eminem is extremely popular, so was just pointed out that he is well regarded by said experts. -
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Re: Will Eminem be remembered as a Music great?Rap being COMBINED with music makes it music. I agree with the other poster, you're being pedantic.(Original post by Hylean)
Actually, I'm not. Again, would you consider poetry to be music? If not, then rap is not music, as they are the same thing, the same with the speech in iambic pentametre.
Rap today is often combined with music, but it exists and has existed for a long time without music. So, I reiterate my statement: he's not a "music great", but he is a "rap great". -
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Re: Will Eminem be remembered as a Music great?I haven't denied that. I've just said he's not a "Music great", ie. he's not a great musician.(Original post by ugk4life)
im just sayin he is more than 'just a rapper' and is a bona fide musician.
Maybe you should not make assumptions about what I do or do not know about Eminem or rap.(Original post by vedderfan94)
Maybe you should look past all the stereotypes and aesthetics of the rap genre, and look past all the criticism and controversy. Try this:
It's one of my favourite songs by him. It stands out for me because he raps about such an emotional issue (his bad childhood) and I get goosebumps because of the power he puts into it. Not all rap is about being "gangsta" (this is usually just the crap in the charts today). I think this is the main reason it's looked down upon, because some rap does promote violence.
He's still not a "Music great". You've not offered anything that lifts him above a "rap great" and propels him into the upper echelons of the art form.
Why? Because I acknowledge that whilst he writes great lyrics and is a superb rapper, he is not that great a musician? That's called giving credit where it's due. Unless you'd prefer me to ignore his rapping skills and just label him as "good, but not great" overall. Cause if you don't want the distinction, that's what it will come down to.(Original post by dgeorge)
Rap being COMBINED with music makes it music. I agree with the other poster, you're being pedantic.
Oh, and let's not forget, a lot of his early albums were made by Dre and other producers, so he can't claim sole credit for them.Last edited by Hylean; 26-05-2012 at 19:53. -
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Re: Will Eminem be remembered as a Music great?Yeah they do. Micheal Jackson, Hendrix, Beatles, ABBA etc all have many awards which is a reflection of their status. Stop being such a little hipster. How can you deduce who is better than who? How can you deduce which lyrics are more meaningful than others? You can't. It's relative by it's very nature. So stop with all this better crap.(Original post by ThaChronic)
Are you serious? Awards, record sales don't mean ****. There are plenty of other rappers that haven't achieved the status Eminem has but are better than him. -
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Re: Will Eminem be remembered as a Music great?Where have I said that Eminem was the greatest of all time, or that there aren't any rappers better than him? Or that record sales are indicative of quality?(Original post by ThaChronic)
Are you serious? Awards, record sales don't mean ****. There are plenty of other rappers that haven't achieved the status Eminem has but are better than him.
I was simply making a point that he has BOTH wide ranging critical acclaim AND popularity, thus can be arguably considered as a music great. -
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Re: Will Eminem be remembered as a Music great?Seriously.....are you guys reading? I never said popularity MEANS that one is a "great" just that he has BOTH popularity AND critical acclaim, which goes a long way towards being able to identify him as a great musician.(Original post by vedderfan94)
By that logic, Lil Wayne is an "expert", because he is very popular today, right? That's rubbish. The guy probably has an IQ of about 50. -
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Re: Will Eminem be remembered as a Music great?No, he is horrible. His skill compared to the likes of Rakim, Big Pun, Easy E and the rest is pitiful. He is just recognised because his early works embodied a heavily exaggerated childhood and it was easily relatable to teenagers in american society. Now he is mainstream, and even worse.
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Re: Will Eminem be remembered as a Music great?Not all the time.(Original post by Annoying-Mouse)
Yeah they do. Micheal Jackson, Hendrix, Beatles, ABBA etc all have many awards which is a reflection of their status. Stop being such a little hipster. How can you deduce who is better than who? How can you deduce which lyrics are more meaningful than others? You can't. It's relative by it's very nature. So stop with all this better crap.
I know you aren't trying to say he's the greatest but I just don't think awards are always a representative on how good of an artist someone is. You get artists than win awards, go platinum etc. when they aren't even good musicians. The stuff about popularity I agree with since many people are going to define a music great with their popularity.(Original post by dgeorge)
Where have I said that Eminem was the greatest of all time, or that there aren't any rappers better than him? Or that record sales are indicative of quality?
I was simply making a point that he has BOTH wide ranging critical acclaim AND popularity, thus can be arguably considered as a music great.Last edited by ThaChronic; 26-05-2012 at 20:01. -
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Re: Will Eminem be remembered as a Music great?(Original post by Hylean)
I haven't denied that. I've just said he's not a "Music great", ie. he's not a great musician.
Maybe you should not make assumptions about what I do or do not know about Eminem or rap.
He's still not a "Music great". You've not offered anything that lifts him above a "rap great" and propels him into the upper echelons of the art form.
Why? Because I acknowledge that whilst he writes great lyrics and is a superb rapper, he is not that great a musician? That's called giving credit where it's due. Unless you'd prefer me to ignore his rapping skills and just label him as "good, but not great" overall. Cause if you don't want the distinction, that's what it will come down to.
Oh, and let's not forget, a lot of his early albums were made by Dre and other producers, so he can't claim sole credit for them.
Don't ALL songs/records that are made right now have producers/other people who are working on the music? I'm not sure what your point is here, except that you are trying for some unknown reason trying to devalue him.
Fine. Who do you consider a "great" CURRENT musician, and what makes them great? -
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Re: Will Eminem be remembered as a Music great?(Original post by HeavyTeddy)
No, he is horrible. His skill compared to the likes of Rakim, Big Pun, Easy E and the rest is pitiful. He is just recognised because his early works embodied a heavily exaggerated childhood and it was easily relatable to teenagers in american society. Now he is mainstream, and even worse.
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Re: Will Eminem be remembered as a Music great?Never said they were, but awards USUALLY do indicate quality.(Original post by ThaChronic)
Not all the time.
I know you aren't trying to say he's the greatest but I just don't think awards aren't always a representative on how good of an artist someone is. You get artists than win awards, go platinum etc. when they aren't even good musicians. The stuff about popularity I agree with since many people are going to define a music great with their popularity. -
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Re: Will Eminem be remembered as a Music great?They pretty much always when someone is critically acclaimed (hence why they're awarded). Might not show who the best is but who cares? Best is a meaningless term when we're talking about music.(Original post by ThaChronic)
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Re: Will Eminem be remembered as a Music great?Dude, I love Hendrix and The Beatles, but you're being idiotic. I'll repost what I posted earlier because some people seem to have ignored it: The Velvet Underground have influenced so many artists in rock, it's incredible how their albums flopped on the Billboard charts back in the 60s. The same goes for older artists, like Robert Johnson (a guitarist/singer in the 1930s), whom Eric Clapton pretty much based his entire career on.(Original post by Annoying-Mouse)
Yeah they do. Micheal Jackson, Hendrix, Beatles, ABBA etc all have many awards which is a reflection of their status. Stop being such a little hipster. How can you deduce who is better than who? How can you deduce which lyrics are more meaningful than others? You can't. It's relative by it's very nature. So stop with all this better crap.
