[ugk4life]

(Original post by Stirlo)
Tech N9ne is one of the best rappers out there imo, not that well known but his songs are great. But if we're talking speed rapping I'd have to agree that Twista is better than tech and busta. In Tech's Worldwide choppers Twista tears that to shreds in his verse

yeah agree twista kills that track.

have u heard kill **** with tech twista and krizz kalliko. have to say krizz surprised me with this, didnt think he could murder tracks like that.

[diggy]

One word. Stan

I love that song too much basically the whole album is good

[Stirlo]

(Original post by ugk4life)
yeah agree twista kills that track.

have u heard kill **** with tech twista and krizz kalliko. have to say krizz surprised me with this, didnt think he could murder tracks like that.

First time I've heard that, yeh he definitely murdered that. I haven't listened to much Krizz though so wouldn't feel I'm able to comment on how he is in most of his songs. Mainly where he's featured in tech's songs.

Yelawolf is a rapper who's really grown on me, really like his new album


Eminem's stuff has trailed off over the years, his earlier songs had a lot more meaning with regards to his life and what happened to him. Still love his music though

[ugk4life]

(Original post by Stirlo)
First time I've heard that, yeh he definitely murdered that. I haven't listened to much Krizz though so wouldn't feel I'm able to comment on how he is in most of his songs. Mainly where he's featured in tech's songs.

Yelawolf is a rapper who's really grown on me, really like his new album


Eminem's stuff has trailed off over the years, his earlier songs had a lot more meaning with regards to his life and what happened to him. Still love his music though

yeah would definitely reccomend that whole album its really good. i love his singing voice, he packs a lot of emotion when he sings.

yeah im a big fan of yelawolf. didnt think his album did him justice though, trunk musik was a much better project imo. that said the album still has a bunch of good songs just think he overdid it a little with so many love/girl songs which sounded too similar.

yeah feel the same about eminem. still think relapse was better than recovery though, the rhyme schemes on relapse were incredible.

[Stirlo]

(Original post by ugk4life)
yeah would definitely reccomend that whole album its really good. i love his singing voice, he packs a lot of emotion when he sings.

yeah im a big fan of yelawolf. didnt think his album did him justice though, trunk musik was a much better project imo. that said the album still has a bunch of good songs just think he overdid it a little with so many love/girl songs which sounded too similar.

yeah feel the same about eminem. still think relapse was better than recovery though, the rhyme schemes on relapse were incredible.

Really? Im really not a fan of relapse and definitely prefer recovery to it. I see recovery as a bit of a different style in the way he raps compared to his older stuff. If he makes a new album im interested to see what style he uses

[ugk4life]

(Original post by Stirlo)
Really? Im really not a fan of relapse and definitely prefer recovery to it. I see recovery as a bit of a different style in the way he raps compared to his older stuff. If he makes a new album im interested to see what style he uses

yeah. once you get past the accents on some of the tracks, the actual emceeing on the album is pretty amazing at least in terms of rhyme patterns and just the flows he kicked on it if not for the content/ subject matter.

i wasnt the biggest fan of recovery. i felt like the production just didnt fit him. i think hees much better when hes rapping over dre or his own beats.

i read a couple days ago that he is starting work on a new album so yeah will be good to see how that comes out.

[desijut]

speaking of dre, when the **** is detox coming out?

[fake-patois]

the music coming from him now is terrible but he'll be remembered for his early work because he was one of the biggest figures in hip hop and music period at that time.

[Big Ern McCracken]

See, Eminem's a strange one for me. I remember stuff like the Slim Shady and Marshall Mathers LPs and I think that yes, the man's undisputedly a genius.

Then I remember that this is the same guy that released "Fack".

[Stirlo]

(Original post by Big Ern McCracken)
See, Eminem's a strange one for me. I remember stuff like the Slim Shady and Marshall Mathers LPs and I think that yes, the man's undisputedly a genius.

Then I remember that this is the same guy that released "Fack".

I've always wondered whether he got the gerbil idea from South Park or south park got the idea from the song. Or that they just both came up with the sick idea

[iSMark]

(Original post by Hylean)
So, you would define poetry as music? Or how about a Shakespearean speech written in iambic pentametre? If you do not define either of those as music, then rap does not count. However, if you do count those as music, then you have a very interesting definition of music that probably does not equate to the general perception of what music is.

Ok, go and live in your fantasy world where dictionaries do not exist.

[Arturo Bandini]

(Original post by Stirlo)
I've always wondered whether he got the gerbil idea from South Park or south park got the idea from the song. Or that they just both came up with the sick idea

None of the above. It's a pretty famous urban legend involving Richard Gere. From a long, long time ago

[Advanced]

I can't believe there are people on here who think Eminem will be forgotten in 20 years time. FFS. The guy has sold 86 million albums, 7 of his albums have reached number 1 in the US and UK. He has an Academy Award FFS. You think people are going to forget someone like that? Probably the most well known artist in the genre that's dominated popular music over the past decade?

Whether you think he is talented in comparison to Tupac, Rakim etc is irrelevant. A guy who has sold so many records over a time period spanning over a decade is not going to be forgotten, regardless of his talent compared to others in his genre.

And if we're talking about mainstream pop music, I'm struggling to think of anyone who has sold music in similar numbers over the past decade whose musical talent is comparable to his.

Has there ever been an artist who has sold music in such a volume who has been forgotten 20 years after their peak? Can't think of one.

[Hylean]

(Original post by iSMark)
Ok, go and live in your fantasy world where dictionaries do not exist.

Well, that's mature and really answers the question. The fact you don't define poetry or speech in iambic pentametre as music (I assume this given your response) would suggest that rap is not music.

Interestingly, wikipedia suggests that rap is not music, though it is often combined with and found in certain types of music, such as Hip-Hop and Reggae or Nu-metal.

And seeing as you want dictionaries: music is "an art of sound in time that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color."

Interestingly, pure rap does not include melody or harmony, though certain rappers do add one or both to their style of rap.

However, if you do wish to continue stating that rap is music, even when not accompanied by music, then we must conclude that poetry is also music. You seem unwilling to do that, so my point stands: he is a not a "Music great", though he is a great rapper.

(Original post by vedderfan94)
>Nine Inch Nails
>mfw

An excellent reply which really puts me in my place. Either contest my points or don't reply.

(Original post by dgeorge)
I don't necessarily think that you have to be on the cutting edge of innovation/originality to be "great" which is what you seem to be getting at.

No, you don't, but I picked Trent because he has offered the art form something. Eminem hasn't. Simple as that.

Eminem is a good rapper, he's a great rapper, he's just not a "Music great".

[LucyJ12]

Yes. Obviously.

[SubAtomic]

(Original post by Planar)
I think you mean Twista

I think you mean Harry Shotta

[dgeorge]

(Original post by Hylean)
Well, that's mature and really answers the question. The fact you don't define poetry or speech in iambic pentametre as music (I assume this given your response) would suggest that rap is not music.

Interestingly, wikipedia suggests that rap is not music, though it is often combined with and found in certain types of music, such as Hip-Hop and Reggae or Nu-metal.

And seeing as you want dictionaries: music is "an art of sound in time that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color."

Interestingly, pure rap does not include melody or harmony, though certain rappers do add one or both to their style of rap.

However, if you do wish to continue stating that rap is music, even when not accompanied by music, then we must conclude that poetry is also music. You seem unwilling to do that, so my point stands: he is a not a "Music great", though he is a great rapper.




An excellent reply which really puts me in my place. Either contest my points or don't reply.




No, you don't, but I picked Trent because he has offered the art form something. Eminem hasn't. Simple as that.

Eminem is a good rapper, he's a great rapper, he's just not a "Music great".

[/quote]he has offered the art form something. Eminem hasn't[/quote]

And how do you come to that conclusion? I think he has, especially with quite a number of "fusions" by incorporating rock n roll into his music, along with some of the most innovative songs and lyrics of his time

[ThaChronic]

(Original post by SubAtomic)
I think you mean Harry Shotta

I think you all mean Krayzie Bone.

[Arturo Bandini]

(Original post by Hylean)
Well, that's mature and really answers the question. The fact you don't define poetry or speech in iambic pentametre as music (I assume this given your response) would suggest that rap is not music.

Interestingly, wikipedia suggests that rap is not music, though it is often combined with and found in certain types of music, such as Hip-Hop and Reggae or Nu-metal.

And seeing as you want dictionaries: music is "an art of sound in time that expresses ideas and emotions in significant forms through the elements of rhythm, melody, harmony, and color."

Interestingly, pure rap does not include melody or harmony, though certain rappers do add one or both to their style of rap.

However, if you do wish to continue stating that rap is music, even when not accompanied by music, then we must conclude that poetry is also music. You seem unwilling to do that, so my point stands: he is a not a "Music great", though he is a great rapper.



.

The point is still that you're being MASSIVELY pedantic and it doesn't really serve any purpose whatsoever apart from making you look like a dick.

So his actual skill is rapping, which technically, isn't a form of music, but he then layers the raps over music and sells it as hip-hop records, which are music.

If in 20 years somebody says to you "Eminem is one of the music greats of the last 50 years" and you say "well actually he wasn't, he was a great rapper but not great MUSICALLY because rap isn't in iambic pentameter and so isn't music, plus his actual music was just okay it was rapping that was his main skill", you know what they're gonna think?

They're not gonna think, "my God you're right, how could I have made such a mistake? From now on I will always refer to him as a rap great, but never a music great". They're just gonna wonder what your point is and they're gonna think you're a complete dick.

jus saiyan

[ugk4life]

(Original post by ThaChronic)
I think you all mean Krayzie Bone.

i think bizzy is faster