[blueray]

Before any of you read this, let me point out that I am not a Muslim or supporter of atheism etc.

I admit all religions have down sides, but it is not an excuse to make the downsides even bigger.

All I and the majority of good people in this forum, in this world in fact, want to say is the following.

Why not learn something from great people like Ghandi who wanted to keep peace in this world.



I hope this message goes both the the people who are inciting hatred by offending the Muslims, and that Muslims will not retaliate as it will only further them to harass you.

Thank you.
And may this world be a peaceful one.

[Funtry]

<3 thank you for this.

[najinaji]

Ghandi also said that the Jews should have committed mass suicide during the Holocaust to shame the Germans, and that everyone in India should have lived a rural peasant life (despite him coming from a wealthy family and being educated in the UK as a lawyer).

[blueray]

(Original post by Funtry)
<3 thank you for this.

No problem

[Darth Stewie]

Ghandi was a hypocritical douchebag. He refused to let the doctors give his dying wife take penicillin claiming "his faith was being tested" yet happily took quinine 6 weeks after when he got malaria. Must be much easier to stick to your faith when it's not your ass on the line eh?

anyway what kind of world would we live in if everyone took that attitude? I'm not going to do it because they will get annoyed and be mean to me? some people find the idea of gay people being allowed to be together offensive, should we stop that as well? i mean we don't want to offend anyone.

[Xotol]

(Original post by najinaji)
Ghandi also said that the Jews should have committed mass suicide during the Holocaust to shame the Germans, and that everyone in India should have lived a rural peasant life (despite him coming from a wealthy family and being educated in the UK as a lawyer).

(Original post by Darth Stewie)
Ghandi was a hypocritical douchebag. He refused to let the doctors give his dying wife take penicillin claiming "his faith was being tested" yet happily took quinine 6 weeks after when he got malaria. Must be much easier to stick to your faith when it's not your ass on the line eh?

Just to point out, demeaning Ghandi with some of his actions (and I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong) really has nothing to do with the veracity of some of his quotes (like the one that was pointed out in OP).

[Waqar.]

(Original post by Darth Stewie)
Ghandi was a hypocritical douchebag. He refused to let the doctors give his dying wife take penicillin claiming "his faith was being tested" yet happily took quinine 6 weeks after when he got malaria. Must be much easier to stick to your faith when it's not your ass on the line eh?

(Original post by najinaji)
Ghandi also said that the Jews should have committed mass suicide during the Holocaust to shame the Germans, and that everyone in India should have lived a rural peasant life (despite him coming from a wealthy family and being educated in the UK as a lawyer).

Why are you guys trying to find flaws in Gandhi instead of appreciating the aim of the OP?

[najinaji]

(Original post by Xotol)
Just to point out, demeaning Ghandi with some of his actions (and I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong) really has nothing to do with the veracity of some of his quotes (like the one that was pointed out in OP).

Yes, but for one, Ghandi gets painted as some all-knowing saintly figure, and secondly, my quote described his whole ideology and some of its most obvious flaws, i.e., the idea that rather than fighting the Nazis, the Jews should have killed themselves instead.

[blueray]

(Original post by najinaji)
Ghandi also said that the Jews should have committed mass suicide during the Holocaust to shame the Germans, and that everyone in India should have lived a rural peasant life (despite him coming from a wealthy family and being educated in the UK as a lawyer).

(Original post by Darth Stewie)
Ghandi was a hypocritical douchebag. He refused to let the doctors give his dying wife take penicillin claiming "his faith was being tested" yet happily took quinine 6 weeks after when he got malaria. Must be much easier to stick to your faith when it's not your ass on the line eh?

anyway what kind of world would we live in if everyone took that attitude? I'm not going to do it because they will get annoyed and be mean to me? some people find the idea of gay people being allowed to be together offensive, should we stop that as well? i mean we don't want to offend anyone.

No, because that is the initiation of force and that is definitely not what he taught, or this quote (not wanting to go off topic).
So the next time you try to make a point, please think.

(Original post by Xotol)
Just to point out, demeaning Ghandi with some of his actions (and I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong) really has nothing to do with the veracity of some of his quotes (like the one that was pointed out in OP).

Right exactly my point Xotol. People need to realise to live with one another in peace and harmony.

[Ayshizzle]

(Original post by Xotol)
Just to point out, demeaning Ghandi with some of his actions (and I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong) really has nothing to do with the veracity of some of his quotes (like the one that was pointed out in OP).

(Original post by Waqar.)
Why are you guys trying to find flaws in Gandhi instead of appreciating the aim of the OP?

Agreed. Just because Ghandi did some questionable things, doesn't make this quote any less valid.

[Rational Paradox]

I'll just copy what i put in the other thread, feel it deserves better:

I agree with the consensus with that it's a stupid idea and is going to antagonise the wrong people, but unfortunately we live in a free society and Islam isn't exempt from mockery and criticism as much as anything else is, so instead of getting all pissy about it surely it'd put a better message across if you just rose above it and ignored it completely? This fad is only going to hang around for as long as you give attention to it...

[Darth Stewie]

(Original post by blueray)
No, because that is the initiation of force and that is definitely not what he taught, or this quote (not wanting to go off topic).
So the next time you try to make a point, please think.

But people will use force against us if we don't, surely by the super duper Ghandi like logic we should outlaw homosexuality to prevent the use of force by the other side? they will hit us with wood if we don't

[blueray]

(Original post by Rational Paradox)
I'll just copy what i put in the other thread, feel it deserves better:

I agree with the consensus with that it's a stupid idea and is going to antagonise the wrong people, but unfortunately we live in a free society and Islam isn't exempt from mockery and criticism as much as anything else is, so instead of getting all pissy about it surely it'd put a better message across if you just rose above it and ignored it completely? This fad is only going to hang around for as long as you give attention to it...

We can ignore it this is true, I would if the other thread wasn't filled with so many bad people. Education is the key here.

(Original post by Darth Stewie)
But people will use force against us if we don't, surely by the super duper Ghandi like logic we should outlaw homosexuality to prevent the use of force by the other side? they will hit us with wood if we don't

If you don't attack first, no one will and if they do, you ignore it and rise above it. They will stop.

[Tudball]

I don't care if people do it. Freedom of speech goes both ways.

[AntisthenesDogger]

I'm not going to participate because I'm too lazy and don't see it offering any satisfaction to me.

I will be interested in seeing what some people imagine him to look like. Hmmm.

[najinaji]

(Original post by Waqar.)
Why are you guys trying to find flaws in Gandhi instead of appreciating the aim of the OP?

Because many of his ideas were flawed, like the one mentioned in the OP, which my quote also directly relates to.

I understand the motivation behind it, but at the end of the day, it's kind of irrelevant to the situation we're talking about and the teaching isn't always appropriate. Doing a peaceful protest in response to a non-peaceful one is not really the same as 'an eye for an eye'. Also, sometimes one needs to fight back against an oppressor, peacefully or not.

[Rational Paradox]

(Original post by blueray)
We can ignore it this is true, I would if the other thread wasn't filled with so many bad people. Education is the key here.



If you don't attack first, no one will and if they do, you ignore it and rise above it. They will stop.

So? It's not an education problem, The only reason people do stuff like this is to get a rise out of muslims and various apologists, ignoring them is the best solution to a very simple problem.

[Chumbaniya]

(Original post by Xotol)
Just to point out, demeaning Ghandi with some of his actions (and I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong) really has nothing to do with the veracity of some of his quotes (like the one that was pointed out in OP).

As the quote given by the OP is a bit or irritatingly empty rhetoric that people only treat as something significant because it was provided by Ghandi, who - as far as the general public is concerned - is some sort of avatar of peaceful wisdom, I think it's relevant to point out his fallibility. If you think that there's some deep meaning behind what is nothing more than a pun based on a bible quote, it's worth introducing some perspective.

On the topic more generally: I do appreciate there are some unsavoury aspects to the idea of a day dedicated to an activity that is deliberately intended to offend many Muslims, there's another aspect of this which is solidarity with the idea of free speech. Let us not forget that people have been threatened with death over drawing picture, and this is something that should absolutely be challenged. Sometimes, it's necessary to challenge and even offend people with certain beliefs in order to stop them from oppressing others with their beliefs. A lot of people are going to be behind this without the right attitude ("LOL Mulsims umad bro??") and that's a shame, but I think the original reaction to the cartoons of Muhammed was far more drastic than this, and it really seemed like this was tolerated far too much at the time because it was an issue of 'religious sensitivity'. Religion should never be a get out of jail free card.

I'm not suggesting for a moment that the two situations are directly analogous, but Rosa Parks definitely knew she was going to offend the people on the bus when she refused to give up her seat.

[blueray]

(Original post by Rational Paradox)
So? It's not an education problem, The only reason people do stuff like this is to get a rise out of muslims and various apologists, ignoring them is the best solution to a very simple problem.

Yes it is, but I made this thread so people keep it in their minds next time and listen to what you and I say.

[Darth Stewie]

(Original post by blueray)
If you don't attack first, no one will and if they do, you ignore it and rise above it. They will stop.

Really? so someone tries to rape your sister/mother/grandmother you wouldn't try to stop them? would just let them finish and hope they learned something? People attack first all the time, on a individual level or an international level it makes absolutely no difference. Force whether physical or not is sometimes needed and abandoning your principles because a group of people threaten violence would lead to a very dark world indeed.