[callum9999]

(Original post by Snagprophet)
The fact that a native people can bare 30% of all grooming in England, a population of 85% natives, vs asians that commit slightly less percentage, 28%, of grooming in England shows that they're more likely to be grooming. And since they only do it to natives they are racists even if the PC state can't handle whites being victims of racism.

I don't know why the debate is being skewed to 'Oh it's not all Pakistani men who think native girls are fair game'. It's absolutely irrelevant. These sick people who did this obviously thought they were fair game. That should be the end of the matter.

We DO NOT live in a PC state (really, what PC state would allow the media, politicians etc. to whinge non-stop about it being PC...) and anti-white racism IS NOT seen as acceptable (at least publicly...) by ANY police force and ANY politician.

GET A GRIP.

How is it not relevant that it's only a minority of people doing it? If someone abroad called you murdering scum because you are British, and some British people commit murders, I'm sure you'd be rather keen to point out the relevance of it only being a minority activity. So why shouldn't Pakistani's?

[FrigidSymphony]

(Original post by Ayesha1234)
Not really, I cover my hair because I want to, it's how I choose to express my modesty and it was my own decision - no one forced me to it. I don't feel oppressed at all, you do realise that men have to observe modesty too? Not sure why, but they're not allowed to wear gold and silk I think, and a lot of men wear long robes which is similar to the abaya/burqa.

Besides, it comes in handy when you can't be bothered to do your hair and keeps your ears warm in the winter

And the North Koreans who cried when the Dear Leader died, would they really not be better off without the dictatorial mausolocracy they seem to love so much?

It most certainly was not "your decision" entirely. Only Muslim girls wear burqas and niqabs. Hence it is not a woman's choice, but a consequence of Islam.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

I think youll find going to mosque, getting circumsised and being brought up as amuslim in a muslim family following the guidance fo the quran and hdaiths makes them more muslim than me. However much you want to deny that fact. I dont deny that your cousins were foced and coerced to do lots of things - that in itslef is islamic nature.

If oyu are trying to blame specifically your own and your families culture fine - what you dont realise your culture is largely islamic, it has been ever since whatever your ancestors converted to islam - look at a non muslim person and you will see they have a massively different culture to you.

[killa78]

(Original post by badcheesecrispy)
women love heels and its not an obligation for them to wear them. They arnt likely to be beaten or killed by their dads and uncles if they refuse to wear heels. No one in the west (except muslims) are forced to wear anything they don't want to. The idea is absurd. The furthest this would go is men telling their women they cant wear make up or certain things, which is also a sign of domestic abuse and a controlling partner.

You're doing the same by not letting muslims wear their hijab.

Again, the killings are few and far between. Not that I agree with the killings or forcing kids to wear the hijab without telling them the fors and againsts and letting them decide.

I know people that have had the opposite said to them. Parents tell their daughters not to wear the hijjab/niqaab because it makes them an easy target, yet some still do.
After marriage, some husbands tell their wives not to wear it as well.

[Gridiron-Gangster]

(Original post by silverbolt)
Yes. This has long been my understanding and ive just asked the muslim who sits next to me who agreed.



Then why wear it over here? Last i checked we dont have sandstorms?

Islam requests modesty but does not determine exactly what must be worn by both men and women

People can wear what they want without fear of persecution or reprisals, that's what we call a free and democratic society.

[Europa]

The title should be Warsi: Pakistani men see white CHILDREN as 'fair game'.

These girls are young children

[CUFCDan]

(Original post by FrigidSymphony)

It most certainly was not "your decision" entirely. Only Muslim girls wear burqas and niqabs. Hence it is not a woman's choice, but a consequence of Islam.

You do realise girls can choose to be Muslim? And that a lot of 'Muslims' don't wear any head dress?

Some people seem to think it's some sort of fascist doctrine. But, like all religions, it has a code of conduct, a dress code, and a way of living your life. The extent to which people choose to do this varies, some people take bits they like and reject bits they don't.

Of course, some are extreme, and some atrocities do happen in the name of Islam. But to put it on a pedestal isn't the best way of doing things. I think if we really want a proper debate, we need to take into account the obscenely extreme views of Christianity mainly present in the American 'Bible Belt' states.

And let us certainly not forget that America praises God regularly. From their anthem:

Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust":

Delightfully secular and benign, yes?

Whilst this proves little, what it does prove is that we can't put one religion on a pedestal, and suggest all things done in the name of that religion are either special to it or even a part of it. Because next time an American bomb is dropped and shatters lives - who would suggest that it damns the entire Christian faith?

[Snagprophet]

(Original post by FrigidSymphony)
It most certainly was not "your decision" entirely. Only Muslim girls wear burqas and niqabs. Hence it is not a woman's choice, but a consequence of Islam.

And Jeremy Clarkson

[FrigidSymphony]

(Original post by CUFCDan)
You do realise girls can choose to be Muslim? And that a lot of 'Muslims' don't wear any head dress?

Some people seem to think it's some sort of fascist doctrine. But, like all religions, it has a code of conduct, a dress code, and a way of living your life. The extent to which people choose to do this varies, some people take bits they like and reject bits they don't.

Of course, some are extreme, and some atrocities do happen in the name of Islam. But to put it on a pedestal isn't the best way of doing things. I think if we really want a proper debate, we need to take into account the obscenely extreme views of Christianity mainly present in the American 'Bible Belt' states.

And let us certainly not forget that America praises God regularly. From their anthem:



Delightfully secular and benign, yes?

Whilst this proves little, what it does prove is that we can't put one religion on a pedestal, and suggest all things done in the name of that religion are either special to it or even a part of it. Because next time an American bomb is dropped and shatters lives - who would suggest that it damns the entire Christian faith?

The references to God were stuck into American rituals during the 50s, as a reaction to the evil atheist commies!!!111!!!1 Do your research.

[CUFCDan]

(Original post by FrigidSymphony)
The references to God were stuck into American rituals during the 50s, as a reaction to the evil atheist commies!!!111!!!1 Do your research.

I'm not sure what difference that makes

[kaboon-supreme]

what those men did were very wronge but i am a high school student and i think white girls throw themselves at everyone. in my school they are the biggest sluts as they wear the most disturbing clothing i have ever seen and always hang around with the boys all the time while blackand asian girls keep to themselves. one of students is in year 11 and already 4 month pregnent and she is not black or asian. plus i think they clearly are the ones looking to have sex as they clealry show their underwears (mostly thongs) and always bend down while wearing extremly short dresses. not to mension that white girls wear the most makeup, for these reasons my school is adopting uniform policy for sixth formers and A-level students. i think it is time we talked why white girls behave in such a way that others think it is ok to abuse them, it is not the girls fault as these were grown men but the proplem needs to be adrresed. i think it has something to do with how females are treated as nothing more then a worthless sex toy/object that has no purpose but to please a man. asian culture is not like this so that is why we need to discuss this instead of saying it is a pakistani proplem.

[kaboon-supreme]

(Original post by FrigidSymphony)
And the North Koreans who cried when the Dear Leader died, would they really not be better off without the dictatorial mausolocracy they seem to love so much?

It most certainly was not "your decision" entirely. Only Muslim girls wear burqas and niqabs. Hence it is not a woman's choice, but a consequence of Islam.

how i don't know how you can say that when the lady just said it was her choice, you are soo blinded by your hate toward islam and muslims that you fail to see that your women are really the oppressed ones. let me give you an example, you will never see a muslim woman on a lads magazin while it is considered an honour in your culture. modesty is seen by your men as a defence line aganist their ego and control over a women, you say muslim woman who cover are forced to but what about those who kill themselves because men dont see them as beautiful, what about those woman who have unneccery surgery to look more beautiful (plastic surgery). instead of being blind and just following the crowd please think about what is going around you and observe cearfuly for you will see vividly.


good day to you good sir

[jessie*lou]

(Original post by sabre2th1)
Well they DID go along with it initially. None of them were kidnapped by being bundled into a car boot or whatever. They accepted gifts such as alcohol from unknown older men.. One even agreed to have sex:

So the above girl agree to have sex for money (to my surprise! I didn't actually know any of the girls agreed; although under UK law she can't consent..).

BUT BEFORE someone tries to make it appear as if I support these men, I do NOT! I just get annoyed when girls aged 15 are seen as little angels, I remember when I was 15 (2 years ago), no girl would have been stupid enough to think that a stranger is giving them alcohol without some purpose.

Ok, so you get annoyed when girls aged 15 are seen as angels or as victims?
Because one of the girls agreed to have sex then it makes the case different? How about the other girls that were with her? Are you saying they had any guilt by accepting gifts upon what happened to then latter? Or maybe implying that they knew they were going to get raped by accepting the gifts?

Why does this always happen when there is some rape story in the news? People try to attenuate or to imply that the victim had some guilt or induced what happened to them.
In a healthy society, victims of rape would be seen as victims and grown men would not try to rape women whatever their age.

[kaboon-supreme]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
I think youll find going to mosque, getting circumsised and being brought up as amuslim in a muslim family following the guidance fo the quran and hdaiths makes them more muslim than me. However much you want to deny that fact. I dont deny that your cousins were foced and coerced to do lots of things - that in itslef is islamic nature.

If oyu are trying to blame specifically your own and your families culture fine - what you dont realise your culture is largely islamic, it has been ever since whatever your ancestors converted to islam - look at a non muslim person and you will see they have a massively different culture to you.

i am from africaand i was forced to go to churches or my father would beat me same as every other kid in my small town. our local church had a place/room were preists would have sex with young girls while using the bible to convince them not to tell their families, i know this because it happended to my friends sister who went to church on thursday to clean the church; then the priest saw her and told her that she must honour god and the christ while leading her to a small room. the proplem was that wanst only going on in my town, it was happening and still happening in every single christian majority country in the world.

[kaboon-supreme]

(Original post by jessie*lou)
Ok, so you get annoyed when girls aged 15 are seen as angels or as victims?
Because one of the girls agreed to have sex then it makes the case different? How about the other girls that were with her? Are you saying they had any guilt by accepting gifts upon what happened to then latter? Or maybe implying that they knew they were going to get raped by accepting the gifts?

Why does this always happen when there is some rape story in the news? People try to attenuate or to imply that the victim had some guilt or induced what happened to them.
In a healthy society, victims of rape would be seen as victims and grown men would not try to rape women whatever their age.

basicly it was 60% the mens fault and 40% the girls fault. this is because the young girls of this country are sex mad and when i say sex mad i know as i have lots of thesekinds of girls in my school who just throw themselfs at evey man/boy they can. lots of women agree to have sex but then later on go to the police and claim that they were raped. everyday you will find a story like this on the news about a poor bloke whose live has been distroyed because of sexist justice system which automaticly blames the man

[danny111]

(Original post by kaboon-supreme)
basicly it was 60% the mens fault and 40% the girls fault. this is because the young girls of this country are sex mad and when i say sex mad i know as i have lots of thesekinds of girls in my school who just throw themselfs at evey man/boy they can. lots of women agree to have sex but then later on go to the police and claim that they were raped. everyday you will find a story like this on the news about a poor bloke whose live has been distroyed because of sexist justice system which automaticly blames the man

It's one thing if a girl aged 15 has sex with a boy aged 15.

Whole different story if a grown man takes advantage of her. And that is exactly what it is.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by kaboon-supreme)
i am from africaand i was forced to go to churches or my father would beat me same as every other kid in my small town. our local church had a place/room were preists would have sex with young girls while using the bible to convince them not to tell their families, i know this because it happended to my friends sister who went to church on thursday to clean the church; then the priest saw her and told her that she must honour god and the christ while leading her to a small room. the proplem was that wanst only going on in my town, it was happening and still happening in every single christian majority country in the world.

interesting story, but thats africa, we are talking about the UK, and the attitude of muslim communities here to underage sex and rape of non muslim girls

[Wilfred Little]

(Original post by kaboon-supreme)
what those men did were very wronge but i am a high school student and i think white girls throw themselves at everyone. in my school they are the biggest sluts as they wear the most disturbing clothing i have ever seen and always hang around with the boys all the time while blackand asian girls keep to themselves. one of students is in year 11 and already 4 month pregnent and she is not black or asian. plus i think they clearly are the ones looking to have sex as they clealry show their underwears (mostly thongs) and always bend down while wearing extremly short dresses. not to mension that white girls wear the most makeup, for these reasons my school is adopting uniform policy for sixth formers and A-level students. i think it is time we talked why white girls behave in such a way that others think it is ok to abuse them, it is not the girls fault as these were grown men but the proplem needs to be adrresed. i think it has something to do with how females are treated as nothing more then a worthless sex toy/object that has no purpose but to please a man. asian culture is not like this so that is why we need to discuss this instead of saying it is a pakistani proplem.

I've been saying the same thing for years but people will take offense to it. It's a problem that needs addressing.

Why is it you can tempt a white girl with booze and drugs but not an Asian girl?

(Original post by kaboon-supreme)
basicly it was 60% the mens fault and 40% the girls fault. this is because the young girls of this country are sex mad and when i say sex mad i know as i have lots of thesekinds of girls in my school who just throw themselfs at evey man/boy they can. lots of women agree to have sex but then later on go to the police and claim that they were raped. everyday you will find a story like this on the news about a poor bloke whose live has been distroyed because of sexist justice system which automaticly blames the man

(Original post by danny111)
It's one thing if a girl aged 15 has sex with a boy aged 15.

Whole different story if a grown man takes advantage of her. And that is exactly what it is.

Both of these posts are correct but the question still needs to be asked -- why is it possible to "take advantage" of these white girls in the first place?

[FrigidSymphony]

(Original post by kaboon-supreme)
i am from africaand i was forced to go to churches or my father would beat me same as every other kid in my small town. our local church had a place/room were preists would have sex with young girls while using the bible to convince them not to tell their families, i know this because it happended to my friends sister who went to church on thursday to clean the church; then the priest saw her and told her that she must honour god and the christ while leading her to a small room. the proplem was that wanst only going on in my town, it was happening and still happening in every single christian majority country in the world.

Yeah, you already appeared to be a moron when answering my post, and after this, I'm just going to go ahead and assume that you're a liar as well. Unless, you know, sources.

[BACTSR2]

Look at it this way, if this happened in the early 1950s white people would start a riot over it. White men have given up being possessive and protective over white women as a group. People wanted this to happen so there could be more miscegenation and therefore "identity and discrimination would disappear". Imagine how long a white man would go to jail for if he killed either his daughter or her Muslim boyfriend because he disapproved of the relationship. There would be no liberals in the town hall or on radio 4 trembling and crying about how it should be understood through cultural relativism and not seen as what it is.

It's not just a British thing either, liberalism has almost always been most strongly espoused in America by certain minorities. Since the 1960s people have been working hard to make sure that women are first of all, sexually independent and also willing to mix with men outside of their ethnicity. This includes the development of feminism, the pill and the civil rights movement and then I suppose the promotion of the image of males from minority groups in cinema.

Once white women war a wimple (like a hijab) and threw themselves off of towers rather than allow themselves to be raped by Muslims. They burnt down capital cities in revenge for the rape of their daughters and drank poison rather than be raped alive by foreigners. Arab women used to accompany men into battle dressed in their best clothes so whoever won the battle would take kindly to them.

This whole thing reminds me of a conversation I once had with a half asian, half white girl, an asian girl and a black muslim girl. They were talking about how they have their own culture, through their family, which gives them an identity and that white people don't, they just go with whatever is in fashion or whatever general trend is happening at the time. They weren't saying it was a bad thing though. Anyway, I questioned the assertion and they kind of acknowledged that some white people "culture" and an identity but they seemed troubled by the idea and showed some disdain at this being the case. White people have to see themselves as plain people, with no identity other than inherited guilt for "multiculturalism", liberalism and the modern European project to work. You can't really have a group identity that lasts or stands for anything and be fine with mixing. People will probably quote that and say it's stupid, but I say no, really think about it. How on earth can you say, like an American, that I'm 1/12 Irish, 1/4 Dutch, 1/12 Cherokee, 1/2 Black and so on and then say you're proud of all of those identities and that they haven't diminished at all. Yes they have, you probably don't speak any of the languages except English, you've probably never been to the European or African countries. White people have a culture and we have articles of clothing, music and customs that are ours, other people may have adopted them, possibly through our interference, but really when you see a black man wearing a cravat, which originate from Croatia, it's no different that seeing a white man eat a curry.


There is one other reason for white women being seen as whores by Muslims and it's related to human psychology, I think. Women, particularly women who have fantasies regarding men who are from a different group that their own my have, perhaps without rationally thinking about it, thought of matters such as sexism, chauvinism and the abuse of women as something terrible, yes; but something that can only be critically examined in this way when it is perpetrated by "their own" men. They may think that other men can't help it, because that's how they are, in their fetishized fantasy.