[NuckingFut]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
in sharia arnt rape victoms forced to marry their attackers, as seen in recent well publisised cases?

Way to confuse Quranic teachings with that of the Bibles.

[sabre2th1]

(Original post by Florrick)
Will this explain it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...WTkSbDc#t=346s

Oh yeah true lol

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by NuckingFut)
Way to confuse Quranic teachings with that of the Bibles.

i was referring to the publicised cases in some muslim countries, where rape victims were ordered by courts to marry their rapists.

[Florrick]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
i was referring to the publicised cases in some muslim countries, where rape victims were ordered by courts to marry their rapists.

Marriage after rape

In a variety of cultures, marriage after the fact has been treated historically as a "resolution" to the rape of an unmarried woman. Citing Biblical injunctions (particularly Exodus 22:16–17 and Deuteronomy 22:25–30), Calvinist Geneva permitted a single woman's father to consent to her marriage to her rapist, after which the husband would have no right to divorce; the woman had no explicitly stated separate right to refuse.

Criminal prosecution for rape ends in the event of marriage in Morocco (by Penal Code Article 475 as of 2012), Algeria, Lebanon (both as of 2010), Jordan (as of 2009),Cameroon (as of 2007), Brazil (as of 2003), Guatemala (as of 2001),and Bolivia (as of 1999). Such laws were ended in Mexico in 1991, Colombia in 1997, Peru in 1999, and Ethiopia in 2005.

The cultural baggage the Muslims carry that often leads to un-Islamic practices like honour killing, forced marriages, unfair denial of education and marriage after rape are all linked with Islam by the media rather than the absence of Islam.

[Ayesha1234]

Lmao, the only reason they went for white girls is because they're out at odd hours, alone and dressed inappropriately. It doesn't make it right though but it identifies that Asian girls are in a way, better protected against these things. Also, if you look at statistics, historically in the UK, most rapists have been middle aged, lonely, white men who randomly pick their victims. However, what's different about these guys is their mindset (it's so f'ed up ) they postulate that women are lesser than men which is a cultural thing btw, nothing to do with Islam and this is particularly evident in Pakistani households...Mirpuri's (sorry if I'm incorrect). Also, they turn it into a somewhat sophisticated network where the girls are passed around among friends, colleagues etc which is disgusting but they think it's okay...this way of thinking has to be eradicated and it's only a minority of people.

I'm not sure if this has anything to do with this but I feel like the areas mentioned, like Oldham, Rochdale etc, are like 20 years behind London

[Quentin2a]

(Original post by Ayesha1234)
Lmao, the only reason they went for white girls is because they're out at odd hours, alone and dressed inappropriately. It doesn't make it right though but it identifies that Asian girls are in a way, better protected against these things. Also, if you look at statistics, historically in the UK, most rapists have been middle aged, lonely, white men who randomly pick their victims. However, what's different about these guys is their mindset (it's so f'ed up ) they postulate that women are lesser than men which is a cultural thing btw, nothing to do with Islam and this is particularly evident in Pakistani households...Mirpuri's (sorry if I'm incorrect). Also, they turn it into a somewhat sophisticated network where the girls are passed around among friends, colleagues etc which is disgusting but they think it's okay...this way of thinking has to be eradicated and it's only a minority of people.

I'm not sure if this has anything to do with this but I feel like the areas mentioned, like Oldham, Rochdale etc, are like 20 years behind London

They went for white girls because they belong to a vile religion that views anyone who is not a muslim as inferior. They should be kicked back to the hellhole that is Pakistan. They have no place in our country.

[Ayesha1234]

(Original post by Quentin2a)
They went for white girls because they belong to a vile religion that views anyone who is not a muslim as inferior. They should be kicked back to the hellhole that is Pakistan. They have no place in our country.

I agree that the type of thinking has no place in our country, the rest of your comments are bull****, no offence.

[justmyopinions]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
Lol warsi.

Labour MP and chairman of the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee Keith Vaz has said it is wrong to focus on a particular racial or religious group.

"There is no excuse for this kind of criminality, whoever is involved in it but I don't think it is a particular group of people, I don't think it's a particular race or religion,"



Imo the judge probably sentenced it keeping a few things in mind. I mean, the girls probably consented at first, after it got out of hand, that's when the drugs/alcohol/money etc. wasn't worth it. At least now they won't be going into a strangers car again.

so a white gang attacking Pakistani girls only wouldn't be cause for cultural concern either?
And there are cultural factors to it, they respect their own women more than white women (or, in this case, girls), so yes there is most definately a cultural factor.
Edit: If they hate white women they should be deported to Pakistan, where they can happily rape women they respect more (but, lets be honest, they still see their own ethnic women as inferior to them).

[cgraham15]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
Lol warsi.




Imo the judge probably sentenced it keeping a few things in mind. I mean, the girls probably consented at first, after it got out of hand, that's when the drugs/alcohol/money etc. wasn't worth it. At least now they won't be going into a strangers car again.

Quite frankly, you're disgusting and this is one of the most immoral comments I have ever read in my life. I guess you're a Muslim by your profile pic, so you believe in God? From what I've heard, God sends the evil ones to Hell in any religion. This comment is evil and disgraceful and shows you have no respect for the suffering of others. If you believed in God you would feel sorry for these girls and condemn the rapists who, frankly, deserve no better than to go to prison until the day they die.

Again, disgusting comment.

[Bonged.]

(Original post by cgraham15)
Quite frankly, you're disgusting and this is one of the most immoral comments I have ever read in my life. I guess you're a Muslim by your profile pic, so you believe in God? From what I've heard, God sends the evil ones to Hell in any religion. This comment is evil and disgraceful and shows you have no respect for the suffering of others. If you believed in God you would feel sorry for these girls and condemn the rapists who, frankly, deserve no better than to go to prison until the day they die.

Again, disgusting comment.

Tbh, that poster is more honest than most - this is why alot of muslims can't accept that the men committed a crime -

Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek them from your property, desiring chastity, not fornication. So with those among them whom you have enjoyed, give them their required due, but if you agree mutually after the requirement (has been determined), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knowing, All-Wise.
Qur'an 4:24

Abu Said al-Khudri said: "The apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Quranic verse, "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess". That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period." [The Quran verse is 4:24]
Abu Dawud 2:2150

...So that could explain the reluctance to accept any wrongdoing has been perpetrated by fellow muslims. These children were viewed as the women of infidels - enemy combatants, ripe to be taken and shamed as they are part of what has been promised to believers that make war on the infidel.

[faber niger]

(Original post by sabre2th1)
Its true though. the girls DID consent initially, and don't say they were not mentally mature or whatever, do you remember when you were 15 years old? Would you get into a car with an older man promising you gifts? These girls went along with it FULLY (initially), then they realised that they got themselves into a big mess, but by then it was too late since they were caught in the trap.

Yeah, but the consent of a minor is not valid consent in law. A significant minority of young girls would probably readily agree to do things with older men, especially if there were gifts/money involved and they weren't getting any kind of affection elsewhere -- that doesn't mean that it's not exploitation or that their consent diminishes responsibility. (Also, even if the girls had been above the age of consent, sex acts become illegal as soon as one of the parties has made clear that they've withdrawn consent, even if they offered it at first, and the other party nonetheless continues.)

Just because I, or you, wouldn't have done it doesn't mean that the entire population should be judged by our own individual yardsticks. Just think how odd the law would be if it were based simply on the presumed actions of some arbitrary person.

[nju]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
Lol warsi.

Labour MP and chairman of the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee Keith Vaz has said it is wrong to focus on a particular racial or religious group.

"There is no excuse for this kind of criminality, whoever is involved in it but I don't think it is a particular group of people, I don't think it's a particular race or religion,"



Imo the judge probably sentenced it keeping a few things in mind. I mean, the girls probably consented at first, after it got out of hand, that's when the drugs/alcohol/money etc. wasn't worth it. At least now they won't be going into a strangers car again.

Does it even matter if it was consented by the girls? The fact is that any adult who thinks it is acceptable to have sex with a child should be punished.

[Bonged.]

(Original post by AkaJetson)
Where did this 'alot' come from?



Non-muslims =/= enemy combatants.

Alot are trying to deflect when it comes to these cases.


Says you. Quran and Hadiths say otherwise, of course.

[eggaforbreakfast]

white girls need to be educated not to make friends with pakistani men until this problem is dealt with......politically incorrect? who cares.

people can shove their politically correctness up their fat arses in situations like this. pandering to peoples pathetic PC sensibilities has already condemned countless white girls to the horrors of these racist peadophiles. and enough is enough.

this racist pedaophile rape gang problem is a nation wide epidemic. all that matters is that the girls are safe.

[Bonged.]

(Original post by eggaforbreakfast)
white girls need to be educated not to make friends with pakistani men until this problem is dealt with......politically incorrect? who cares.

people can shove their politically correctness up their fat arses in situations like this. pandering to peoples pathetic PC sensibilities has already condemned countless white girls to the horrors of these racist peadophiles. and enough is enough.

this racist pedaophile rape gang problem is a nation wide epidemic. all that matters is that the girls are safe.

This would be sensible wouldn't it. Unfortunately all that matters to the state and a large proportion of (confused) liberals and their Islamic allies is that "community relations" remain just as brilliantly vibrant and diverse as they were before The Times broke pc protocol as a respected media source and reported on these cases.

[anonstudent1]

(Original post by AkaJetson)
Where did this 'alot' come from?



Non-muslims =/= enemy combatants.

Its still a pretty disgusting idea though isn't it? That if you're at war with someone, if you defeat them their wives/sisters and mothers are all acceptable for you to rape.

[faber niger]

(Original post by eggaforbreakfast)
white girls need to be educated not to make friends with pakistani men until this problem is dealt with......politically incorrect? who cares.

people can shove their politically correctness up their fat arses in situations like this. pandering to peoples pathetic PC sensibilities has already condemned countless white girls to the horrors of these racist peadophiles. and enough is enough.

this racist pedaophile rape gang problem is a nation wide epidemic. all that matters is that the girls are safe.

Come on, it's hardly a nationwide epidemic. The best advice for young girls is not to make friends with ANY unknown older men. Surely you wouldn't want your daughter accepting gifts from any old farts, regardless of their ethnicity? But very few men groom girls; it's a serious problem, but it's not worth instilling the fear of God into girls, because the vast majority of them will never come close to such a situation.

Most of these girls also didn't have caring families, so the best you could do for any daughter you might have would be to give her a secure and loving home, so that she wouldn't be willing to accept attention from anywhere else.

[silverbolt]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
Lol warsi.

Labour MP and chairman of the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee Keith Vaz has said it is wrong to focus on a particular racial or religious group.

"There is no excuse for this kind of criminality, whoever is involved in it but I don't think it is a particular group of people, I don't think it's a particular race or religion,"



Imo the judge probably sentenced it keeping a few things in mind. I mean, the girls probably consented at first, after it got out of hand, that's when the drugs/alcohol/money etc. wasn't worth it. At least now they won't be going into a strangers car again.

Firstly labour and especially that MP is so politically correct that he wouldnt say the sun was yellow for fear of offending the chinse. and it is known that certain Asians especially muslims (such good muslims these men are raping 13 year old girls) view white people and in particular white women as lower than low

secondly a 13 year old cannot give consent in the eyes of the law in this country. Which are designed to protect form scum like this.

Thirdly the scum bag bastard ***** that did this should know better. They were well over the age of consent. and knew exactly what they were doing. Delbierately plying underage girls with drugs and alchohol in effort to rape them

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Ayesha1234)
Lmao, the only reason they went for white girls is because they're out at odd hours, alone and dressed inappropriately. It doesn't make it right though but it identifies that Asian girls are in a way, better protected against these things. Also, if you look at statistics, historically in the UK, most rapists have been middle aged, lonely, white men who randomly pick their victims. However, what's different about these guys is their mindset (it's so f'ed up ) they postulate that women are lesser than men which is a cultural thing btw, nothing to do with Islam and this is particularly evident in Pakistani households...Mirpuri's (sorry if I'm incorrect). Also, they turn it into a somewhat sophisticated network where the girls are passed around among friends, colleagues etc which is disgusting but they think it's okay...this way of thinking has to be eradicated and it's only a minority of people.

I'm not sure if this has anything to do with this but I feel like the areas mentioned, like Oldham, Rochdale etc, are like 20 years behind London

You should note that afgani, iraqi,bangladeshi, somali men (all muslim) have been convicted of similar crimes in recent times too, so the 'cultural' fallacy of pakistanis has been disproven time and again on TSR. CAn you come up with an angle that stands up to scrutiny?

[Bonged.]

(Original post by anonstudent1)
Its still a pretty disgusting idea though isn't it? That if you're at war with someone, if you defeat them their wives/sisters and mothers are all acceptable for you to rape.

Pretty commonplace for 7th century warlords. Obviously gets a bit trickier when it's the prophet of a religion.