[Octohedral]

On the one hand, you get people saying "oh, I'm fat so nobody likes me", and that's clearly nonsense - if they don't like you it's probably because you have a chip on your shoulder and you seem unfriendly. Charisma can redeem most things - once you get to know someone and you respect them it rarely matters what they look like. Take Gene Hunt in Life on Mars - fat and ugly as ****, but a character you like and would have time for in real life.

On the other hand, pretty people clearly have an easier time of it, particularly girls. Jealousy aside, people tend to be much more forgiving of mistakes if you are good looking. If you are deemed lower than them they get irritated with you easily and want to push you away, no matter what a nice person you are. It's natural, and I'm ashamed to say I find myself doing the same thing, even though I know how painful it is to be on the recieving end.

(For reference, I am not a pretty person, and I genuinely believe it has affected areas of my life). Just wondering what people think

[im so academic]

A lot. If you're a girl and you're not beautiful - you can forget it.

[Anonymous]

Never liked how i look, ever. I definitely consider myself the 'ugly friend'. I've tried so many things to give me a confidence boost but nothing works.

In day to day life? It doesn't really bother me. I have plenty of friends, a wide selection of interests, i'm studying a course i enjoy and have a job in a fashion retailer.

However when it comes to dating/relationships i have absolutely 0 self esteem because of my appearance. So it affects me a lot. I'm in my twenties and i've never even kissed anyone, because i can't fathom the idea of someone being attracted to me. I've never asked anyone out and when i do like someone, my mind just tells me they are good for me so i never say anything. Nobody has ever shown an interest and i'm guessing its related to having 0 self confidence. Really can't see this changing anytime soon.

So yeah, it affects me bigtime when it comes to relationships

[SnoochToTheBooch]

(Original post by im so academic)
A lot. If you're a girl and you're not beautiful - you can forget it.

beautiful slightly attractive

[Mr Dangermouse]

(Original post by im so academic)
A lot. If you're a girl and you're not beautiful - you can forget it.

Bull. Most guys would happily pull a 3/10 just for the sake of it.

[Mr Dangermouse]

Personally I think it's more an attitude thing.


Question to girls, is Frankie Cocozza a particularly attractive male? Because if ou ask me, he seems like a fairly average looking guy with brilliant technique.

[CherryCherryBoomBoom]

I've had people be nasty to me and ignore my nice personality just because they didn't like the way I looked, but then again they must just be shallow and close-minded so why bother getting upset by people like that. I personally treat people equally no matter what they look like

[TheWorldEndsWithMe]

(Original post by Mr Dangermouse)
Personally I think it's more an attitude thing.


Question to girls, is Frankie Cocozza a particularly attractive male? Because if ou ask me, he seems like a fairly average looking guy with brilliant technique.

He's an idiot, first off, and not remotely attractive- clearly trying too hard.

[CherryCherryBoomBoom]

(Original post by Mr Dangermouse)
Personally I think it's more an attitude thing.


Question to girls, is Frankie Cocozza a particularly attractive male? Because if ou ask me, he seems like a fairly average looking guy with brilliant technique.

Nope. His look ain't my thing at all, plus, I ain't into manwhores.

[Mr Dangermouse]

(Original post by TheWorldEndsWithMe)
He's an idiot, first off, and not remotely attractive- clearly trying too hard.

I respect the guy a lot.


What's idiotic about him? He's clearly able to mask his lack of being particularly attractive and get girls on a very regular occasion.


Plus he's basically paid a lot of money to your nightclubs through the country, sing(and he isn't a better singer than you or I) and get pissed.


What that kid has done for himself with little natural giftings is remarkable.

[TheWorldEndsWithMe]

(Original post by Mr Dangermouse)
I respect the guy a lot.


What's idiotic about him? He's clearly able to mask his lack of being particularly attractive and get girls on a very regular occasion.


Plus he's basically paid a lot of money to your nightclubs through the country, sing(and he isn't a better singer than you or I) and get pissed.


What that kid has done for himself with little natural giftings is remarkable.

I don't think running around getting drunk all the time and becoming 'famous' for basically pulling girls and getting drunk is admirable. I think it's idiotic, personally.

I agree that he's done well on little to no actual talent, but it doesn't stop him being idiotic to me.

[d123]

(Original post by Octohedral)
On the one hand, you get people saying "oh, I'm fat so nobody likes me", and that's clearly nonsense - if they don't like you it's probably because you have a chip on your shoulder and you seem unfriendly. Charisma can redeem most things - once you get to know someone and you respect them it rarely matters what they look like. Take Gene Hunt in Life on Mars - fat and ugly as ****, but a character you like and would have time for in real life.

On the other hand, pretty people clearly have an easier time of it, particularly girls. Jealousy aside, people tend to be much more forgiving of mistakes if you are good looking. If you are deemed lower than them they get irritated with you easily and want to push you away, no matter what a nice person you are. It's natural, and I'm ashamed to say I find myself doing the same thing, even though I know how painful it is to be on the recieving end.

(For reference, I am not a pretty person, and I genuinely believe it has affected areas of my life). Just wondering what people think

Gene Hunt's a pretty bad example...

[Mr Dangermouse]

(Original post by TheWorldEndsWithMe)
I don't think running around getting drunk all the time and becoming 'famous' for basically pulling girls and getting drunk is admirable. I think it's idiotic, personally.

I agree that he's done well on little to no actual talent, but it doesn't stop him being idiotic to me.

It would definitely get really boring and repetitive after a year or two. But ask any teenage boy....

[UCLEmily]

My view is that some good-looking people seem to do better out of their looks than others. I think attitude has a lot to do with it as well. Good looks are often associated with personality. Someone good looking who behaves badly all the time might get away with it sometimes, but not all the time. That's the main theme of Gossip Girl, 90210 and MIC.

Amongst people I know, one girl who is fabulous to behold and to whom all male eyes progress does really well socially, but she's really friendly and smart and I suspect it's the combination. A guy I know who is rather beautiful gets away with a lot and he's really popular but he can be a bit of a sod and nobody seems to mind. I wonder if good-looking men get away with more than good-lookig women?

[tresjolie]

(Original post by Octohedral)
On the one hand, you get people saying "oh, I'm fat so nobody likes me", and that's clearly nonsense - if they don't like you it's probably because you have a chip on your shoulder and you seem unfriendly. Charisma can redeem most things - once you get to know someone and you respect them it rarely matters what they look like. Take Gene Hunt in Life on Mars - fat and ugly as ****, but a character you like and would have time for in real life.

On the other hand, pretty people clearly have an easier time of it, particularly girls. Jealousy aside, people tend to be much more forgiving of mistakes if you are good looking. If you are deemed lower than them they get irritated with you easily and want to push you away, no matter what a nice person you are. It's natural, and I'm ashamed to say I find myself doing the same thing, even though I know how painful it is to be on the recieving end.

(For reference, I am not a pretty person, and I genuinely believe it has affected areas of my life). Just wondering what people think

In answer to the title question, more than it ever, ever should. It's definitely unfortunate and always makes me angry when I actually see it happening around me.

Also, the bit I've bolded, I partially disagree with. I believe that statement is sadly true most of the time, apart from the occasions when very attractive girls I know also seem to get labelled 'thick', as people assume they can't possibly be so incredibly good looking whilst also having more than two brain cells to rub together.

Apart from this though I agree that it sadly does seem to be a more difficult world to live in and certainly to get ahead in if you are deemed unattractive by those around you. (Or maybe I'm unlucky and am simply surrounded by incredibly shallow people!)

[chronic_fatigue]

(Original post by Mr Dangermouse)
I respect the guy a lot.


What's idiotic about him? He's clearly able to mask his lack of being particularly attractive and get girls on a very regular occasion.


Plus he's basically paid a lot of money to your nightclubs through the country, sing(and he isn't a better singer than you or I) and get pissed.


What that kid has done for himself with little natural giftings is remarkable.

You look up to a guy who looks like he needs a wash and a good haircut? You need better role models.

[tresjolie]

(Original post by Mr Dangermouse)
Personally I think it's more an attitude thing.


Question to girls, is Frankie Cocozza a particularly attractive male? Because if ou ask me, he seems like a fairly average looking guy with brilliant technique.

Oh and as for this...
Throw me to the sarlacc, feed me to the rancor, let me spend an eternity as Jabbas sex slave, anything but have to even be in the same room as the disgusting, arrogant, talentless, attention seeking man-child that is Frankie Cocozza

[chronic_fatigue]

(Original post by tresjolie)
Oh and as for this...
Throw me to the sarlacc, feed me to the rancor, let me spend an eternity as Jabbas sex slave, anything but have to even be in the same room as the disgusting, arrogant, talentless, attention seeking man-child that is Frankie Cocozza

ewww does he even have a penis?

[Id and Ego seek]

(Original post by chronic_fatigue)
You look up to a guy who looks like he needs a wash and a good haircut? You need better role models.

This.

What a poor representation of a man.

[tresjolie]

(Original post by chronic_fatigue)
ewww does he even have a penis?

Maybe not, but he sure has one hell of a tongue...