[ForKicks]

But no urgent calls of an inquiry from the opposition, despite this being released nearly 2 months ago and it hasn't been in the news since. Why that strikes me as a piece of serious journalism.

Sorry, I meant sensationalist.

[madders94]

(Original post by OU Student)
Surely, if your only problem is that you can't walk, there's no reason why you can't do a job sitting down?

But how do they get to work? How do they get around the office when they need to?

[ForKicks]

(Original post by madders94)
But how do they get to work? How do they get around the office when they need to?

Work from home job.

Stuffing envelopes et al

[badcheesecrispy]

(Original post by gateshipone)
They didn't say it too me, though people are that stupid. They said it in the waiting area and I just happened to overhear them. Trust me people who lie about that kinda thing aren't smart, which is why they get caught out eventually. I once had a guy serve me a kebab in a place and then 3 days later he came to sign on and told me he didn't have a job at all!

Why wasnt he registered with HMRC under the PAYE scheme? Thats a matter for the takeaway, unless the guy was working part time inwhich case he is still entitled to help from the jobcentre.

[madders94]

(Original post by ForKicks)
Work from home job.

Stuffing envelopes et al

The government actually needs to create more jobs - I've never seen any vacancies for stuffing envelopes at home - before they can start kicking people off benefits and demanding that they work.

[gateshipone]

(Original post by badcheesecrispy)
Why wasnt he registered with HMRC under the PAYE scheme? Thats a matter for the takeaway, unless the guy was working part time inwhich case he is still entitled to help from the jobcentre.

He'd just started. Also, JCP staff don't have access to HMRC's systems when signing people, so we can't check those kinds of things. He was there full time, I know because I saw the job advertised. He was just a liar who thought he could get away with it, just like people who fake disabilities to stay on benefits.

[ForKicks]

(Original post by madders94)
The government actually needs to create more jobs - I've never seen any vacancies for stuffing envelopes at home - before they can start kicking people off benefits and demanding that they work.

The government is terrible at business, lol. Making jobs would just cost them more than they can afford.

[Valjean]

There is provision for a DLA claim to be rushed for somebody who is terminally ill with a short prognosis - it was processed within a few days for my father.

[OU Student]

(Original post by madders94)
But how do they get to work? How do they get around the office when they need to?

Taxis, which are funded by access to work. (the claimant pays the bus fare and A2W pay the rest) Surely, they'd have some form of mobility aid?

I really do not understand how being unable to walk means you can't work at all? My dad works in a factory and this year, he had his appendix removed and later on, had a back injury. Both times it meant his walking was limited. His GP wrote him a fit note asking for his duties to be amended.

[madders94]

(Original post by OU Student)
Taxis, which are funded by access to work. (the claimant pays the bus fare and A2W pay the rest) Surely, they'd have some form of mobility aid?

I really do not understand how being unable to walk means you can't work at all? My dad works in a factory and this year, he had his appendix removed and later on, had a back injury. Both times it meant his walking was limited. His GP wrote him a fit note asking for his duties to be amended.

Fair enough, but how many companies are going to pick someone whose working capabilities are limited when there's a huge number of able-bodied people queuing up for jobs too? The onus should not be on people to find jobs that don't exist, the government are trying to attract the people whose families have never been affected by illness or disability by saying "Look at us, we're getting people back into work" when really, they're pushing people into a state of poverty because there are no jobs - it just means there aren't as many benefits either.

[OU Student]

(Original post by madders94)
The onus should not be on people to find jobs that don't exist.

I'm pretty much being told to do this by my work programme provider. I'm not sure what part of "I can't do that job to my disabilities" / "there are no jobs out there" she can't understand.

[Jamie]

(Original post by Elipsis)
Yeah, I bet they got their school trips subsidised whilst you didn't get to go as well? Then when they got to 6th form they did some worthless course that they didn't pass whilst claiming EMA that you barely received (if at all like me?)

I predated EMA so got nought.
MY EMA was working as a waiter every saturday and sunday evening, and a gardener every sunday daytime.

[DawnRaider]

(Original post by badcheesecrispy)
http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/investigat...medium=twitter

More than a thousand *sickness benefit claimants died last year after being told to get a job, we can reveal.

We've highlighted worries about the controversial medical tests for people claiming Employment Support Allowance which are being used to slash the country's welfare bill.

The Government has boasted that more than half of new *claimants are found "fit to work" - failing to mention that over 300,000 have appealed the decision and almost 40% have won.

Instead, employment minister Chris Grayling (below) says this "emphasises what a complete waste of human lives the current system has been".

We've used the Freedom of Information Act to discover that, between January and August last year, 1,100 claimants died after they were put in the "work-related activity group".
This group - which accounted for 21% of all claimants at the last count - get a lower rate of benefit for one year and are expected to go out and find work.

This compares to 5,300 deaths of people who were put in the "support group" - which accounts for 22% of claimants - for the most unwell, who get the full, no-strings benefit of up to £99.85 a week.

We don't know how many people died after being found "fit to work", the third group, as that information was "not available".

But we have also found that 1,600 people died before their assessment had been completed.

This should take 13 weeks, while the claimant gets a reduced payment of up to £67.50 a week, but delays have led to claims the system is in "meltdown".

Mr Grayling admitted last month that 35,000 people are waiting longer than 13 weeks. Commenting on the deaths of *claimants, a Department for Work and Pensions official said: "It is possible that the claimant had already closed their claim and then *subsequently died, meaning that these figures may be *overestimating the true picture."

Of course, they're bound to include some people who died of *something completely unrelated to their benefit claim.

This makes me feel sick. And anyone who agrees ill people should be left to die so they can save a few quid a week are likewise, sick. I am a taxpayer who works hard and this disgusts me. I want my taxes helping people who need it. This government are taking the piss more and more every single week. They need a kick up the backside by a big working class size 10.

"We don't know how many people died after being found "fit to work", the third group, as that information was "not available"."


thats the one point

the other is that we dont know the ages/ medical backgorund of the peope that did either, or how they died. If someone is diagnosed by a doctor with a curent severe heart condition like the guy in that report, no benefit agency has the authority to force him back to work.

generally benfits agencies are there to target much younger , healthier people who feign injuries to continue to claim benefits - like people who claim they have muscular pains and then are spotted playing golf and tennis.

[rockrunride]

Wow, left-wing sensationalism is rare!

[OU Student]

(Original post by DawnRaider)
the other is that we dont know the ages/ medical backgorund of the peope that did either, or how they died.

This is true. There's nothing that states how many are terminally ill, etc.

If someone is diagnosed by a doctor with a curent severe heart condition like the guy in that report, no benefit agency has the authority to force him back to work.

Doesn't stop them. They don't care what doctors think.

generally benfits agencies are there to target much younger , healthier people who feign injuries to continue to claim benefits - like people who claim they have muscular pains and then are spotted playing golf and tennis.

Nothing to do with age.

[L i b]

(Original post by badcheesecrispy)
http://blogs.mirror.co.uk/investigat...medium=twitter

More than a thousand *sickness benefit claimants died last year after being told to get a job, we can reveal.

We've highlighted worries about the controversial medical tests for people claiming Employment Support Allowance which are being used to slash the country's welfare bill.

Although of course what the Mirror doesn't mention is that these were introduced by Labour - the Work Capability Assessments - and a year ago were only slightly altered except in a couple of pilot project areas.

The Government has boasted that more than half of new *claimants are found "fit to work" - failing to mention that over 300,000 have appealed the decision and almost 40% have won.

Which equates to a small fraction of total decisions made.

As for more than half being found 'fit to work', that's simply false. Some are found fit to work - around a third - whilst others are found to be capable of returning to the workplace in due course with the right support. Two separate categories.

We've used the Freedom of Information Act to discover that, between January and August last year, 1,100 claimants died after they were put in the "work-related activity group".

Who no-one denies are in some way disabled. Indeed, the WRAG get benefits for at least a year (assuming they're not poor - in which case they're eligible for income-based ESA without time limit).

[B]This makes me feel sick. And anyone who agrees ill people should be left to die so they can save a few quid a week are likewise, sick.

Ludicrous scaremongering, from both you and the Daily Mirror - which is probably the trashiest tabloid going.

[L i b]

(Original post by madders94)
the government are trying to attract the people whose families have never been affected by illness or disability by saying "Look at us, we're getting people back into work" when really, they're pushing people into a state of poverty because there are no jobs - it just means there aren't as many benefits either.

Not in terms of ESA. The Work Related Activity Group benefits only extend to a year if you're receiving contributory ESA. Income-related ESA, which is for people who have no cash (much like Jobseekers' Allowance) does not have a time limit on it.

[MelissaBabe]

I agree many people do claim to be ill when they are able to work and claim thousands of ££ out of taxpayers but I have personal experience of this from my mother whereas I bet barely any of you saying oh yes this is fine have personal experience..
My mum for 16 years have been told there is no way she is able to work with all the physical and mental problems and now that she is getting older they are getting worse as expected.. She had only begun accepting that she couldn't work due to giving birth to me.. Being beaten by her father as a child and by an ex boyfriend... She had been working from 15 but at the age of 25 was told she was no longer able to work and through being at home everyday, even though she looked after myself and my siblings she was an active woman and wanted to work, she had developed depression (and because of her poor past and childhood) she now has also UAT and other problems and sometimes is unable to get out of bed before 1 because she is so tired despite going to sleep at 7

She is now being told she is fit for work and should have never been on the benefits she was on.. She has now become severely depressed because they are victimising her and she finds it even harder to get out of bed.. Sometimes she doesn't wake up until like 2.30.. And this is okay for her to work? She goes to the meetings as she is appealing against it and they sit there and basically call her a lier.. She can't even cook anymore as she gets worn out and sometimes drop things such as boiling hot pans full of food all over herself and I've regularly taken her to hospital because of the burns are severe! And you pompous idiots that think everyone in this country are trying to get extra money are going to tell me she can work? If you saw the medication she was on and the dosages you would think my house was a chemist..

So instead of criticising everyone and saying they all should just die.. What happens if you ever get ill in the future? Should we just stick a bullet through your head like your some sort of animal or is it because you've paid taxes you're fine and can get away with it because I can assure you my mum has always paid her taxes.. So why don't you just get on your high horse and write in a post that actually concerns you and stop slagging off people that used to work


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[madders94]

(Original post by MelissaBabe)
I agree many people do claim to be ill when they are able to work and claim thousands of ££ out of taxpayers but I have personal experience of this from my mother whereas I bet barely any of you saying oh yes this is fine have personal experience..
My mum for 16 years have been told there is no way she is able to work with all the physical and mental problems and now that she is getting older they are getting worse as expected.. She had only begun accepting that she couldn't work due to giving birth to me.. Being beaten by her father as a child and by an ex boyfriend... She had been working from 15 but at the age of 25 was told she was no longer able to work and through being at home everyday, even though she looked after myself and my siblings she was an active woman and wanted to work, she had developed depression (and because of her poor past and childhood) she now has also UAT and other problems and sometimes is unable to get out of bed before 1 because she is so tired despite going to sleep at 7

She is now being told she is fit for work and should have never been on the benefits she was on.. She has now become severely depressed because they are victimising her and she finds it even harder to get out of bed.. Sometimes she doesn't wake up until like 2.30.. And this is okay for her to work? She goes to the meetings as she is appealing against it and they sit there and basically call her a lier.. She can't even cook anymore as she gets worn out and sometimes drop things such as boiling hot pans full of food all over herself and I've regularly taken her to hospital because of the burns are severe! And you pompous idiots that think everyone in this country are trying to get extra money are going to tell me she can work? If you saw the medication she was on and the dosages you would think my house was a chemist..

So instead of criticising everyone and saying they all should just die.. What happens if you ever get ill in the future? Should we just stick a bullet through your head like your some sort of animal or is it because you've paid taxes you're fine and can get away with it because I can assure you my mum has always paid her taxes.. So why don't you just get on your high horse and write in a post that actually concerns you and stop slagging off people that used to work


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I honestly don't know why someone has negged you, your situation is one of many that proves what's wrong with the benefit system reforms - scroungers are being allowed to stay doing nothing and people who really cannot work, such as your mum, are being targeted because they're perceived as "easy victims" due to their illnesses. I'm glad she's appealing - it takes a lot of courage and confidence because they are despicable people, some of the things they say, because they're paid extra for each person they find "fit to work" so apparently that gives them the right to treat human beings like scum - and I hope the appeal is successful. The amount of times my parents have been written off by scroungers is ridiculous because my parents used to work - my dad was an engineer and my mom was an accounts clerk and worked in stock management at the engineering firm - but now they can't, and we actually save the government a lot more than we cost them.

It'd be nice for people with prejudices to live life in our shoes for one day, and then see if they're so condemning of everyone who can't work - I'm sure seeing exactly what we go through would change their mind. I really hope the appeal goes well for your family

[madders94]

(Original post by OU Student)
I'm pretty much being told to do this by my work programme provider. I'm not sure what part of "I can't do that job to my disabilities" / "there are no jobs out there" she can't understand.

It's awful because it seems like the government don't care whether there are jobs available, as long as it sounds like they're getting people off benefits, it's keeping the "I pay my taxes therefore I'm better than welfare scum" baying mob happy and that's all they want