[Bubblyminty]

(Original post by krussel)
Thats just over the top, yes technically its a poison/toxin whatever people want to call it. That word just gives alcohol negative connotations, people eating too much McDonalds could 'potentially kill them.' Most grandparents have been drinking since they were much younger than us, yet they are still alive? Well most of them anyway, if not I'm sure they lived to a healthy age.

Yes that is because alcohol is a "negative" thing. Are you trying to say that it is good? And on the matter of Mcdonalds- the food does not contain any harmful substances (maybe the trans fats) or poisons so this part of the argument is not valid. Consuming too much of anything is fatal: even water.

My grandfather drinks occasionally too and yes he is still alive but he will be dead soon. Whenever did I say when one touches alcohol they drop dead instantly? It just has an overall long-term impact on a person's health.

I am directly talking about the rationality of consuming something which is known to be toxic. Look at all the crime and deaths alcohol causes. It definitely is not a good thing.

[krussel]

(Original post by WizzleKidd)
Yeah but you know what I mean, like stuff like smirnoff is purposely sweet and called an alcopop apparently, I dunno I aint a drinker. And I don't think someone is meant to get drunk off of baileys.

I do I do, got to experiment though! Something, for everyone! Yeah I think baileys is nasty haha, I don't think on its own because that would be so sickly.

[krussel]

(Original post by Bubblyminty)
Yes that is because alcohol is a "negative" thing. Are you trying to say that it is good? And on the matter of Mcdonalds- the food does not contain any harmful substances (maybe the trans fats) or poisons so this part of the argument is not valid. Consuming too much of anything is fatal: even water.

My grandfather drinks occasionally too and yes he is still alive but he will be dead soon. Whenever did I say when one touches alcohol they drop dead instantly? It just has an overall long-term impact on a person's health.

I am directly talking about the rationality of consuming something which is known to be toxic. Look at all the crime and deaths alcohol causes. It definitely is not a good thing.

You didn't say you drop dead instantly no, but if you don't, and you can live just as long as someone who doesn't drink why purposely not drink because of the health concerns? Maybe someone who doesn't drink, may have the potential for a longer life span, but personally I believe that isn't always the case.

Lots of things aren't classed as 'good', but come on who wants to live on such strict terms, worrying about health issues that aren't always that critical to ones health. It causes crime and deaths yes, but the majority of us here don't drink to that extent. So why should we suffer because of the careless idiots out there?

[Drunk Punx]

(Original post by krussel)
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Taking the social stigma and illegality factors to one side, you may as well ask "why don't people take LSD?"

Some people have their drugs of choice, others don't take drugs full stop. I myself stopped drinking after becoming a borderline alcoholic, which is when I started to be a real **** when drunk. So I took a crash course in responsibility and stopped drinking altogether.

[Charlie Chaplin]

Tbh, I see no real appeal to drinking...I don't see it as fun at all. I'm always the one to drag my friends home after a night out and watch all their bags for them and have a coke instead. I'll have an amereto and coke every now and then cos it tastes nice but otherwise, not into it. Plus...most months there's a chance that I might be pregnant

[Bubblyminty]

(Original post by krussel)
You didn't say you drop dead instantly no, but if you don't, and you can live just as long as someone who doesn't drink why purposely not drink because of the health concerns? Maybe someone who doesn't drink, may have the potential for a longer life span, but personally I believe that isn't always the case.

Lots of things aren't classed as 'good', but come on who wants to live on such strict terms, worrying about health issues that aren't always that critical to ones health. It causes crime and deaths yes, but the majority of us here don't drink to that extent. So why should we suffer because of the careless idiots out there?

There is scientific research that non-drinkers live longer than those who do. I think you should already know that- it is a fact. I mean you are consuming a toxin afterall. If I ate arsenic everyday I would probably not live as long as someone who didn't.

What exactly do you mean by "lot's of things aren't classed as "good""?

And alcohol is the main cause of crime. People die and get hurt everyday from people who choose to drink carelessly. Yes I know that most people don't binge drink but over a third of 18-24 year olds drink to just get drunk. Why should you have to suffer?! Then why can't that the person who is suffering in pain smoke pot?

[krussel]

(Original post by Drunk Punx)
Taking the social stigma and illegality factors to one side, you may as well ask "why don't people take LSD?"

Some people have their drugs of choice, others don't take drugs full stop. I myself stopped drinking after becoming a borderline alcoholic, which is when I started to be a real **** when drunk. So I took a crash course in responsibility and stopped drinking altogether.

No its completely different, LCD is a hardcore drug. Doesn't matter what I say now really cause you'll reply with ' Alcohol is a hardcore poison that can also kill you. ' I'm not talking about the people who take drinking to the extreme, I'm just talking about social drinkers and those who have never tried alcohol.

[krussel]

(Original post by Bubblyminty)
There is scientific research that non-drinkers live longer than those who do. I think you should already know that- it is a fact. I mean you are consuming a toxin afterall. If I ate arsenic everyday I would probably not live as long as someone who didn't.

What exactly do you mean by "lot's of things aren't classed as "good""?

And alcohol is the main cause of crime. People die and get hurt everyday from people who choose to drink carelessly. Yes I know that most people don't binge drink but over a third of 18-24 year olds drink to just get drunk. Why should you have to suffer?! Then why can't that the person who is suffering in pain smoke pot?

It is a fact that isn't true in absolutely ALL cases. You can say right: my dad drinks socially, your dad doesn't drink at all, therefore my dad will live longer than yours. The research is relative it is not absolute. I'm not talking about people who drink everyday though, I'm talking about social drinkers, those who do at the weekend or a couple of times a month.

By that I mean exactly what I said, sugary drinks aren't classed as good, fast food isn't classed as good, chocolate isn't classed as good neither are sweets, doing no exercise isn't classed as good.

They can't smoke pot because we have a government which sticks to old fashioned morals, and is ignorant to the fact that cannabis is not bad. It can in fact be a pain reliever, just like many worse prescribed drugs. Listen, you're obviously in favour of something I am strongly against, so we will just have to agree to disagree.

[Copperknickers]

(Original post by Bubblyminty)
There is scientific research that non-drinkers live longer than those who do. I think you should already know that- it is a fact. I mean you are consuming a toxin afterall. If I ate arsenic everyday I would probably not live as long as someone who didn't.

A lot of things are toxins. A lot of soft drinks, even some fruit juices, contain aspartame, which is a carcinogen. A lot of plastic bottles contain known carcinogens. Indeed a lot of nutrients like salt and iron are toxic to the human body in large quantities. Alcohol is only dangerous when consumed in large quantities, have a few drinks in a week and 4 or 5 on a Saturday night is not dangerous. It's only when you start knocking back shots of vodka or drinking spirits most days that it becomes harmful.

In fact, it might even be more healthy: 3 or 4 glasses of red wine a week is proven to be beneficial for the heart.

[mikeorchard]

(Original post by Copperknickers)
In fact, it might even be more healthy: 3 or 4 glasses of red wine a week is proven to be beneficial for the heart.

That's certainly not conclusive. It's only certain types of wine (not the ones found in supermarkets) that have produced negligible health benefits in a few non-controlled studies and many other studies have found that even moderate intake increases your risks of developing various cancers, far outweighing any benefits.

[krussel]

(Original post by mikeorchard)
That's certainly not conclusive. It's only certain types of wine (not the ones found in supermarkets) that have produced negligible health benefits in a few non-controlled studies and many other studies have found that even moderate intake increases your risks of developing various cancers, far outweighing any benefits.

I bet you can find cons in everything. Let loose..

[moya]

(Original post by krussel)
No its completely different, LCD is a hardcore drug. Doesn't matter what I say now really cause you'll reply with ' Alcohol is a hardcore poison that can also kill you. ' I'm not talking about the people who take drinking to the extreme, I'm just talking about social drinkers and those who have never tried alcohol.

Why don't you take LSD?

It's safer than alcohol, nobody has ever died from it (ever, it's impossible). It's also non-addictive.

[mikeorchard]

(Original post by krussel)
I bet you can find cons in everything. Let loose..

I probably can find cons in everything, but that wouldn't be relevant. He made the point that drinking a few glasses of wine a week was beneficial, when that simply isn't the case and hasn't been even nearly empirically proven and in fact, it's been proven to be damaging just as many, if not more, times than it has been proven beneficial.

The study in which it was found to lower the risk of heart disease, for instance, was done on mice I think. Not humans. And it was a specially fermented wine that contained more of the cardio/chemoprotective agents, most of which don't even enter our bloodstreams when we consume it. It might as well be a myth that it's good for you.

[CoventryCity]

I am 19 and have never drank alcohol, tbh I feel like I am missing out on the social aspect of it.

[Drunk Punx]

(Original post by krussel)
No its completely different, LCD is a hardcore drug. Doesn't matter what I say now really cause you'll reply with ' Alcohol is a hardcore poison that can also kill you. ' I'm not talking about the people who take drinking to the extreme, I'm just talking about social drinkers and those who have never tried alcohol.

Actually LSD is less harmful for you than alcohol, so... *shrugs*
And no, it's not a "hardcore" drug. It's a psychedelic. Though I guess that's a matter of opinion; I don't class psychedelics as hardcore drugs, but I would class amphetamines as hardcore drugs, whereas someone else might have the opposite view.

Surely it comes down to a matter of taste? If you're not interested in alcohol then why bother drinking it? Same applies to fizzy drinks, juice, etc etc.
Just because alcohol has an age limit attached to it it doesn't mean that as soon as you reach that age you must drink.

[Jabberwox]

I won't lie and say I've never ever got drunk, and never ever will drink. But I only have a couple of drinks if I go out (which is once in a blue moon). It's nice to feel relaxed with an alcoholic drink, but I wouldn't drink loads and load/get drunk every weekend because I think it's bad for my health. Also I've been in the company of people who have taken advantage of me while they've been drunk, so seeing drunk people kinda leaves a little sour taste in my mouth.

[krussel]

(Original post by moya)
Why don't you take LSD?

It's safer than alcohol, nobody has ever died from it (ever, it's impossible). It's also non-addictive.

Because the effects of LCD are a lot stronger, I don't want violent and unpleasant hallucinations thanks. The trip of LCD can be horrendous. Don't be awkward, LCD can and does give you worse trips than alcohol.

[krussel]

(Original post by mikeorchard)
I probably can find cons in everything, but that wouldn't be relevant. He made the point that drinking a few glasses of wine a week was beneficial, when that simply isn't the case and hasn't been even nearly empirically proven and in fact, it's been proven to be damaging just as many, if not more, times than it has been proven beneficial.

The study in which it was found to lower the risk of heart disease, for instance, was done on mice I think. Not humans. And it was a specially fermented wine that contained more of the cardio/chemoprotective agents, most of which don't even enter our bloodstreams when we consume it. It might as well be a myth that it's good for you.

I don't think its good for you, I just refuse to believe I'm killing myself by drinking a few times a month. So I will carry on drinking

[krussel]

(Original post by CoventryCity)
I am 19 and have never drank alcohol, tbh I feel like I am missing out on the social aspect of it.

Maybe give it a try, start off slow, see what you think.

[krussel]

(Original post by Drunk Punx)
Actually LSD is less harmful for you than alcohol, so... *shrugs*
And no, it's not a "hardcore" drug. It's a psychedelic. Though I guess that's a matter of opinion; I don't class psychedelics as hardcore drugs, but I would class amphetamines as hardcore drugs, whereas someone else might have the opposite view.

Surely it comes down to a matter of taste? If you're not interested in alcohol then why bother drinking it? Same applies to fizzy drinks, juice, etc etc.
Just because alcohol has an age limit attached to it it doesn't mean that as soon as you reach that age you must drink.

Yeah nobody must drink, but I don't think everyone doesn't drink due to taste preference, and I was interested in these other reasons!