[RyanT]

(Original post by de_monies)
You realise that Japan's economy is in a dire state?

The greater Tokyo region has a bigger GDP then the entire of Italy at 1.9 trillion versus 1.8 for Italy. Despite having just over 50% of the population of Italy. It is the most populous metropolitation region on the planet.

You're making the grevious mistake of confusing economic growth with economic power. Yes, their economy is not growing that much - that's because they have already reached the boundaries of economic wealth feasible in the current global climate with technology/competition etc.

Their economy is in rude health, every year it produces value worth twice the Brazilian output, yet like a typical third worlder I'm sure you'll bleat platitudes about Brazil booming.

[nmudz_009]

Brazil shud be on instead of India no? Actually since Israels on for some reason, India has every right to be there aswell

[de_monies]

(Original post by RyanT)
Their economy is in rude health, every year it produces value worth twice the Brazilian output, yet like a typical third worlder I'm sure you'll bleat platitudes about Brazil booming.

Just to disect this, you've called me a "typical third worlder" Presumably, because I've said that I have Pakistani roots before, but here's the thing I was born here, so by you saying that, that also makes you a "third worlder", so in effect you have insulted yourself

[RyanT]

(Original post by de_monies)
Just to disect this, you've called me a "typical third worlder" Presumably, because I've said that I have Pakistani roots before, but here's the thing I was born here, so by you saying that, that also makes you a "third worlder", so in effect you have insulted yourself

Yes, I called myself a thirdworlder - an English man ethnoculturally - because I said someone who isn't English culturally or racially, is a third worlder.

Welcome to the wonderful twisted logic of immigrants. Although I imagine such convulted concepts are necessary for you to justify your presence.

So why is Japan's economy in "dire straights" again? It produces twice as much as Brazil does every year and that's without a rainforest to plunder. It has the worlds largest metropolitian area - in truth the worlds premier city if we're being honest here, has the market in advanced electronics cornered and dominates a spectrum of high value industries. I don't understand how it can be in dire straights, perhaps you can show why??

[Time Tourist]

(Original post by Dirac Delta Function)
I said if you look at wealth on a per-capita basis, China is poor. If you look at it in absolute (GDP) terms, it's not the richest either.

Well not yet.

[de_monies]

(Original post by RyanT)
Yes, I called myself a thirdworlder - an English man ethnoculturally - because I said someone who isn't English culturally or racially, is a third worlder.

Welcome to the wonderful twisted logic of immigrants.

Well, I followed your logic. You called me a "thirdworlder" I was born here as a British citizen, so then by your logic that makes all British citizens "thirdworlders" including yourself, so in effect you have insulted yourself.

It's not my fault that I decided to run through the logic of your words. It's your fault for using those words in the first place

(Original post by RyanT)
Although I imagine such convulted concepts are necessary for you to justify your presence.

See, I genuinely laughed when I read this.What are you going to do, from your computer? Wipe me out? Seems a very Hitler like thing to do, no? I'm sure he'd be proud of you

(Original post by RyanT)
So why is Japan's economy in "dire straights" again? It produces twice as much as Brazil does every year and that's without a rainforest to plunder. It has the worlds largest metropolitian area - in truth the worlds premier city if we're being honest here, has the market in advanced electronics cornered and dominates a spectrum of high value industries. I don't understand how it can be in dire straights, perhaps you can show why??

With all due fairness, I was considering the fact that it simply has not grown for about a decade or so, and has been in deflation for a long time. Those things are not good for the economy, regardless of whether it "produces twice as much as Brazil" or not

[effofex]

Obviously Japan and South Korea.

Also, Scandinavia is not a country. Kalmar is over.

[RyanT]

(Original post by de_monies)
See, I genuinely laughed when I read this.What are you going to do, from your computer? Wipe me out? Seems a very Hitler like thing to do, no? I'm sure he'd be proud of you

Doubt he would, there was a black community in Germany in the 1930s as a legacy of their Empire in East Africa (Tanganyika). The Nazi's didn't touch them because they were interested in Jews, not necessarily foreigners.

(Original post by de_monies)
With all due fairness, I was considering the fact that it simply has not grown for about a decade or so, and has been in deflation for a long time. Those things are not good for the economy, regardless of whether it "produces twice as much as Brazil" or not

The fact remains that every Japanese citizen produces over twice as much value as a Brazilian citizen. This is the core of their economy, every single year they produce twice as much as a third world nation.

Growth is limited by technology and competition. I would actually argue that Japan is very close to the feasible limits given current technology and they have to bid for inflated steel prices etc (inflated by huge demand from nations like China). Japan has a fantastic economy and it is extremely enviable. Growth is only an issue if you are a long way behind the technologically feasible "best economy". If you've already grown near the limits then it is not an issue, so I do feel that you're comparing apples and pears here. The Japanese economy is so advanced it is a completely different beast and using growth rates as an indictator of health is applying the wrong tools to the analysis.

Growth matters for countries like Iran and India that have a lot of development to carry out, but like I said - it's very third-worldy to consider growth as a good metric of economic performance when dealing with Japan.

[OmnipotentOmelette]

People don't seem to want to accept that the UK is actually a great place to live. We see all these horrible statistics in the media but the UK is actually very progressive.

Health- Okay there are a load of fat alcoholics but if you take care of yourself you have an awesome NHS to help you. The unhealthy people skew the statistics for everyone else. (I know we can't ignore them but if you are healthy you should live long)

Politically- far less extremism than other countries such as Sweden. Our mainstream parties make the Republicans in the USA seem barbaric

Military- we have nukes so we're safe

Education- if you actually care and work hard you will get a good education most of the time. We just need to be stricter on disruptive pupils

Overall, we have a fairly equal nation. Compared to the USA I think we are way more advanced. If you go outside of the rich areas in the USA there is serious poverty.

Other nations may be more advanced but we should give ourselves some credit!

[xXxDHxXx]

RyanT is just rascist.
Ignore him, don't feed the troll.

Anyway, he is just representative of the 'secret' rascism in UK.
I mean, it might be a free and deocractic countrya nd is no doubt better than most. However rascism there is actually stronger than countries like USA as they the English tend to think they are still within their Imperial age.

The truth is the British Empire is very strong and advanced. However, they are also brutal, cruel and causes chaos in every country their conquer. I mean look at India, their cultural roots are almost non-existant considering most are prefering to speak English on a day-to-day basis than their own language.

Look at Africa, during the Boer war, they slaughtered thousands of women and children in order to force the Boer to surrender peacefull to the empire. Then theres the Trail of Tears, Battle of Little Horn, 'Black-Catching in Australia, £5 for a child, £0 for an adult, Growing and supplying opimum worldwide, especially to China through the ports of HK and Shanghai. I mean the Empire was literally controlling China then through Puyi and opimum.

Then theres the eight-nation allaince, by invading China whilst they have a civil war then forcing them to lease their pots of Canton, HK, Shanhai and cut off international territory - now THAT is unfair.

Then supplying KMT with weaponary in return for national treasure. Conspiring with USA in order to influence Japan's invasion of Doko, Korea which lead to WW2. But then Japan turned on them and bombed Pearl Harbour.

Ultimately responsible for WW2 by relaxing their borders and not enforcing the Treaty of Versallies, allowing Hitler to expand his army through conscription. Allowing the Russians to rape German and Eastern-European girls in 1944.

Then they strongly insisted that Japan has NOT cause the Nanking Masscare, holocaust and crimes like comfort women, killing of POW's and even denying mistreatment through Imperial Japan and Unit 731.

I mean without UN's backing, controlled by USa and UK and superpowers, why the hell would Japan still deny and not make a formal apology of their actrocities? Well, simply theWest has agreed on being supplied with technological and most importantly - Medical development through vivesections, amputations, removal of vital organs, blood transfusions causing extreme bouts of pain at joints and difficulty breathing before death, saline abortions, fetus testings, DNA extraction for babies, etc...

But the truth is, every strong empire, has committed countless actrocities before they rise to power or during. I mean, Japan sure got thoroughly fire bombed before Little Boy and Fat man was unrevealed!

[xXxDHxXx]

(Original post by OmnipotentOmelette)
People don't seem to want to accept that the UK is actually a great place to live. We see all these horrible statistics in the media but the UK is actually very progressive.

Health- Okay there are a load of fat alcoholics but if you take care of yourself you have an awesome NHS to help you. The unhealthy people skew the statistics for everyone else. (I know we can't ignore them but if you are healthy you should live long)

Politically- far less extremism than other countries such as Sweden. Our mainstream parties make the Republicans in the USA seem barbaric

Military- we have nukes so we're safe

Education- if you actually care and work hard you will get a good education most of the time. We just need to be stricter on disruptive pupils

Overall, we have a fairly equal nation. Compared to the USA I think we are way more advanced. If you go outside of the rich areas in the USA there is serious poverty.

Other nations may be more advanced but we should give ourselves some credit!

Health - the NHS sucks, obesitiy is far to common amongst younger and younger kids.

Politically - I don't know WHY. But most people I know seems to dislike the Conservative party. My teacher said she witness this party ruin Britian during the 70's-80's. Hmm :/. Then a friend of mine, for whatever reason just don't like them. Personally, I think taking money OUT of the economy, isn't helping at all.

Militarily - We rely too much on USA. Even with nuke, its not plausible as nuclear war is only ued on te edge of destruction. So it's not useful for the short - medium term.

Education - Great education free too. But once again, way to many chavs and people who wouldn't learn. So not many high ability students compared to places like China where they havelike top 8% of highest IQ genius'

Overall UK is okay, but not the best by far. Really love the free democractic society, but toehr things lack behind.

[TheIronist]

I think Canada and the Netherlands. Possibly the most socially liberal countries in the world atm, low crime rates, good health and education, etc.

[xXxDHxXx]

(Original post by TheIronist)
I think Canada and the Netherlands. Possibly the most socially liberal countries in the world atm, low crime rates, good health and education, etc.

I think Netherlands is one of the best places to live in terms of quality of life. If it's standard of living, no as most are average families. Not really much chance to get rich quick as the market there is too limited and saturated.

[Bey Taco]

I think we, in the UK do fine to try to maintain a good balance between different sectors.

Canada and Australia are also doing well personally. I think Germany is does somewhat okay. I don't think Japan, china and South Korea make it far and India, Israel and Russia should be taken off the list.

Denmark, sweden and finland are not behind the top contenders, whoever those may be.

US? They are as advanced as a bull in a human race.

[TheIronist]

(Original post by xXxDHxXx)
I think Netherlands is one of the best places to live in terms of quality of life. If it's standard of living, no as most are average families. Not really much chance to get rich quick as the market there is too limited and saturated.

I don't wanna get rich but certainly I believe that opportunities must be open to everyone, jobs ought to be plenty, etc. That is a problem everywhere but I am only trying to make a realistic comparison between existing political systems.

I don't believe other industrial countries have it better. Crime, poor health, unemployment, lack of infrastructure are serious problem in many parts of the US for example (despite it's overall wealth). I think the Netherlands and Canada don't have these problems (to that extent) but they also avoid the social conservatism of Japan or South Korea. They have a good balance of social/economic freedoms, I think.

[Muscovite]

(Original post by Time Tourist)
Scrap socially 'progressive'... scrap politically 'progressive'... scrap environmentally.

Just in the news electricity bills will have to go up by a quarter, because wind farms don't work.

Great if you are a champagne socialist with a comfy job and pension in some useless PC quango that caters to the various client groups of the grievance industry courtesy of the taxpayer, and can afford it.

rah rah rah bladdy socialists; I'm going to read my Daily telegraph and join in the hunt later on rah rah rah

[TheIronist]

(Original post by effofex)
Obviously Japan and South Korea.

Also, Scandinavia is not a country. Kalmar is over.

The Netherlands >>>>> South Korea. Have you ever been there? (were you being sarcastic?)

[Time Tourist]

(Original post by Muscovite)
rah rah rah bladdy socialists; I'm going to read my Daily telegraph and join in the hunt later on rah rah rah

Good man.

[Herr]

(Original post by fellowjoe)
By advanced, I mean for each of the following aspects:

Military
Economy
Socially progressive
Politically progressive
Etiquette/Manners
Technology
Environment
Education

And which country is the most advanced in terms of these factors accounted for altogether?

No such thing as the most advanced country as different ones have different strengths and weaknesses.

Military - without a doubt USA and UK has the best in terms of military technology followed closely by Israel. Also both US and UK are able to project their military far away beyond their borders, no other country could do this in reality as the best they could do would be neighbouring countries only.

Economy - my vote goes to Switzerland as using indicators from the WEF it is the most open economy in the world, it also has a very good business climate and for the most part it has very sound economic fundamentals not to mention it is among the richest countries in the world.

Socially progressive - UK, followed by Holland. The reality of it is UK leads in this aspect as things really aren't that bad when you compare it to other countries in Europe. Granted a lot of it are as a result of arm-twisting and crazy PC gone mad type regulations.

Politically progressive - Switzerland, there is a party for every ideology here, it isn't taboo for example to support a far-right party and it isn't deemed racist to be in support of one. UK on the other hand loses out here as politics tend to dominate too many things and essentially has created a phenomenon called a post-code lottery.

Etiquette/manners - This is rather hard to judge as what is acceptable in one culture may not be acceptable in another. But as a whole I think Switzerland (in the German speaking parts) tops here, considering most people won't flush their toilet or take a shower after 10pm if they live in a flat as the noise disturbs their neighbours.

Technology - USA, UK and Germany leads here in respect to innovations where the Japanese are mostly imitators

Environment - Norway and Switzerland. If you compare the Norwegian O&G and forestry/fishing/agriculture industries you will see just how good they are in protecting the environment. Switzerland is one of the cleanest countries in the world, granted they also have no big polluting industries located here and there are very strict laws and targets with regard to environmental management largely due to it being a small and very densely populated country.

Education - Switzerland has a very good system though it also boils down to which local authority you live in that determines just how good it is, German speaking regions are many times better than French ones... no surprises here. But objectively speaking the best education systems are those in South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Japan though it also somewhat robs the children of their childhood as parents in these countries push their kids a little too much, I choose Switzerland because it offered a good balance between everything.

[letsbehonest]

Having lived in the Netherlands for 15 years, I'd say education there doesn't compare to the British system. They still have something which is somewhat similar to the tripartite system. Often finding only white kids at grammar schools.

Even in the small town that I lived in, there was segregation - Turks, and Arabs lived on the other side of the town. Ethnic minority kids didn't tend to mix with others. Britain is much more open. Plus sides - no chavs, crime, people get along .. well that's where I lived anyway.

I'd say Japan and Canada or even the UK.