[Miryo]

They were extremely lucky but its not about deserving to win.

[fosterwho]

(Original post by Gridiron-Gangster)
Bayern didn't lose because of a penalty shootout, they lost because they didn't take the chances that were presented to them on a plate re: scoring with less than 10 minutes left (complacent defending cost them), that penalty miss by Robben, wasteful in the shootout, not making the most of what was essentially the most partisan of crowds you'll ever find in a Champions League final. Compared to most finals featuring English teams the Chelsea fans were way outnumbered and pretty much drowned out. Chelsea may as well have been playing in Siberia.

Yeah but c'mon, Chelsea was Bayern's bitch for most of the game. Any team who spends most of the match defending doesn't really deserve it. Then they got an 88th minute goal due to a defense error by Bayern.

[Solid_Snake7]

(Original post by Marco Dilivio)
not sure you know what "anti football" means
it means when you chose to defend throughout the whole game instead of attempting to actually win it or play proper football

'It' is not a real footballing term, 'it' is a term made up by armchair fans who have no clue about the realities of those involved directly in professional football. Chelsea scored more goals than Bayern, and none of their goals could be considered 'lucky', they actually showed in their games against Barcelona and Bayern that they were much more efficient in front of goal, having very few chances and putting them away, as well as being able to play well defensively. Those who say Chelsea didn't deserve to win are simply irritated by the fact they won 'ugly'.

(Original post by fosterwho)
Yeah but c'mon, Chelsea was Bayern's bitch for most of the game. Any team who spends most of the match defending doesn't really deserve it. Then they got an 88th minute goal due to a defense error by Bayern.

Possession with no end product is like ineffective aggression in boxing - looks good but doesn't score points (or shouldn't, but that's a debate for another time). Bayern were created chances but didn't take them - btw their goal was something of a fluke, Mueller didn't mean to hit it the way he did, and it was the bounce which caught Cech out, so I don't know why you bring up the error for Chelsea's goal. Chelsea had very few chances but, again, they showed they had the nerve to take them when they came - and btw Drogba's movement for that goal, and the technique to hit the top right corner of the goal from that position with a fair bit of power made it a great goal, though Neuer should perhaps have done better with it. Fact is Drogba outshone Gomez in the final, proved once and for all what a great big game player he is, whilst Gomez completely bottled it, despite having far more chances.

[Gridiron-Gangster]

(Original post by Marco Dilivio)
From a neutral and honest point of view...Chelsea did not deserve to win it at all.
Played anti football from the first minute and had no intention of playing decent not even good but decent football at all.
Playing with your whole team in your box isnt what a European Champions does and no offence to Chelsea... they are probably the worst champions I've ever seen.

I understand playing to your strengths is one thing but playing 10 players behind the ball is a bit ridiculous the game would still be going on now if there wasnt penalties. You could get 10 big rubgy players and stick them in front of the keeper and i doubt many teams will manage to score tbh. Its not an art or talent to play ultra defensively its just sad

Chelsea's players drogba, lampard, terry, essien, malouda, cole.cech the older guys do deserve a champions league medal for their careers I guess so Im happy they got that but for who Chelsea were I think they should have given the world a better display because Bayern were all over them and the only way chelsea could have scored was a set piece and they did.

Enjoy the victory chelsea fans sorry if I offended anyone but Im just being honest for the sake of football

I find it hard to fathom how you can call yourself a football fan after all the BS you just spewed.

Sure playing defensively may not be attractively but guess what Einstein, that's the whole point of football. To win the match or get the result you need is always the first priority. Adding a touch of flair comes only when you're confident you're going to get the result. And tbh I thought it was quite an exciting game. It had the drama and tension and tbh I don't think either team really asserted themselves on the match over the course of the 120 minutes hence why it went to penalties. This is what happens when you have a big high stakes cup final where both teams want to win desperately.

Chelsea deserved to win on the night and throughout the entire campaign given the manner of their comeback against Napoli who completely humbled Man City en-route and then dethroning Barcelona in their own backyard. As I said before if Chelsea had the squad of players and management that say Blackpool or Rochdale have then no amount of luck would help them. Chelsea had the talent to win even with their key players suspended/injured.

[Gridiron-Gangster]

(Original post by fosterwho)
Yeah but c'mon, Chelsea was Bayern's bitch for most of the game. Any team who spends most of the match defending doesn't really deserve it. Then they got an 88th minute goal due to a defense error by Bayern.

You're pretty much defining the concept of Football/any sporting contest for me.....to take advantage of your opponent's lapse in concentration/weaknesses. And the whole point of football is to score and defend/not concede more goals than your opponent so I'm not quite sure how you can criticise Chelsea for that.

So what were you suggesting, that all 11 players went upfield leaving them exposed at the back and conceding 7 or 8 goals just for the sake of making it a feisty encounter? I think Chelsea were more concerned about winning the match rather than the quality of their football.

[Spaz Man]

They certainly didn't deserve to win but I congratulate them unreservedly nonetheless.

[fosterwho]

(Original post by Solid_Snake7)
'It' is not a real footballing term, 'it' is a term made up by armchair fans who have no clue about the realities of those involved directly in professional football. Chelsea scored more goals than Bayern, and none of their goals could be considered 'lucky', they actually showed in their games against Barcelona and Bayern that they were much more efficient in front of goal, having very few chances and putting them away, as well as being able to play well defensively. Those who say Chelsea didn't deserve to win are simply irritated by the fact they won 'ugly'.




Possession with no end product is like ineffective aggression in boxing - looks good but doesn't score points (or shouldn't, but that's a debate for another time). Bayern were created chances but didn't take them - btw their goal was something of a fluke, Mueller didn't mean to hit it the way he did, and it was the bounce which caught Cech out, so I don't know why you bring up the error for Chelsea's goal. Chelsea had very few chances but, again, they showed they had the nerve to take them when they came - and btw Drogba's movement for that goal, and the technique to hit the top right corner of the goal from that position with a fair bit of power made it a great goal, though Neuer should perhaps have done better with it. Fact is Drogba outshone Gomez in the final, proved once and for all what a great big game player he is, whilst Gomez completely bottled it, despite having far more chances.

Actually, he did. That was a very well placed header, instead of directly heading it into the goal and it being saved.

[Gridiron-Gangster]

Just wondering if people here had actually every watched or participated in Football or any kind of sport prior to Saturday night? If so then you'd know that basic concept of any contest is to win and not concede and take advantage of an opponent's weakness/lapse in concentration.

I'm sure Usain Bolt doesn't think to himself "Maybe I should slow down a little bit to make the race more tighter and exciting a finish". All he's bothered about is running as fast as he can and winning the match.

I don't think Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao go into their fights thinking "Ok maybe I'll give the fans a bit more entertainment and expose my chin a little. Sure I'll get knocked down a few times and risk losing the amtch despite the fact I could easily outpoint or KO this bum in Round 4 but hey as long as Average Joe has fun then what's the point in winning?"

Seriously.

Yeah Sport is great when it's entertaining and a closely fought affair but how could you get any closer fought or dramatic a contest than on Saturday night? Even to the last penalty kick it was still in the balance but Chelsea edged out Bayern and deservedly won.

[Banishingboredom]

The final was effectively an away game for us. City lost 2-0 there, Madrid lost 2-1. It's a bloody difficult place to go, and were it over two legs everyone would be saying what a good away performance it was.

Had the final been at Stamford Bridge or Wembley, and had our players not been banned then we might have given a better performance attack wise. At home we won every game this season scoring 17 goals and conceding one. As it was we made the best of a bad situation and beat them fair and square.

[Gridiron-Gangster]

I'm glad there's 45 of you out there who understand the true meaning of a sporting contest.

[Tabris]

Bayern had something in the region of 21 shots on target and a penalty. They had plenty of chances to seal the deal and win the game, but they failed to do so. They have nobody to blame but themselves for not being able to close the game before the end of normal and extra time.

Chelsea didn't play attractive football, but they had enough luck on the night in that Bayern couldn't score, but sometimes a little luck is what you need to win a game like that.

People can chirp that Chelsea didn't deserve to win, but that's not how sport works. Excluding outright cheating, there are very few occasions where winning is a right. If Chelsea are undeserving, so are Bayern for not being able to convert.

You can have all the shots and possession in the world, but only one stat matters in football and it is not either of those two.

One thing, though, is that I doubt that this game will be remembered as anything remotely close to one of the greats (apart from to Chelsea fans).

[muffingg]

(Original post by Gridiron-Gangster)
Over the entire campaign? Yes. On the night? Yes

Why? Sure Bayern outplayed them for large parts, had more shots on goal and should have been out of sight even before they did eventually score so late on in the game. But that's just it.....they were so wasteful it was unbelievable. They had a full-strength team, on their home turf in front of a staidum 2/3 of which was filled with their own fans against a Chelsea team who stuttered to 6th place in the Premier League and had 4 or 5 key players either suspended or injured. Chelsea were ripe for the picking and Bayern blew just like they did in 1999. Chelsea kept at it even when under the kosh and deservedly equalised. Then that penalty save.....lady luck smiled on Chelsea and then the penalty shoot-out. Chelsea did what they set out to do which was to beat Bayern over the course of the entire match. Doesn't matter if you outplay them for 80 minutes or so and have a thousand shots on goal, if you don't take your chances then you aren't going to win. Chelsea deserved to win it and they did.

Agree except that Bayern didn't really have a full strength team. With Badstuber, they had their best defender missing and I'm sure Alaba would have created more danger since his combination plays with Ribery were absolutely stunning against Real Madrid. Also Luis Gustavo didn't play which probably was not too bad for them but led to fewer classy substitutes available for them.

[DorianGrayism]

I don't see the point of this question. Whether Chelsea deserved to win is just opinion.

The only thing that can be said is that Bayern and Barcelona should have won with the chances they had.

[Gridiron-Gangster]

In fairness we could say Man City should have won the lot and won every single match they played this season domestically and in Europe given they spent the most of any club in the World but we all know what happened there.

We could say that England should have won the Football and Rugby and Cricket World Cups more times than any other nation because we invented the games but that isn't the case and heck we haven't even won a Cricket World Cup (ODI) yet.

Luck plays such a small part in events. You need to have the skill and the talent in the first place.

[wenger16]

Did Arsenal deserve to win the 2005 fa cup final?
They were on the back foot against manu for whole final then won on penalties.

It was exact same situation as the cl final now.

If you think arsenal didn't deserve it the Chelsea didn't deserve the champions league now.

Make up your minds.

[Bobifier]

They gained more points under the footballing contest described by the rules of football. In what sense would they not deserve to win?

[Marco Dilivio]

(Original post by Gridiron-Gangster)
I find it hard to fathom how you can call yourself a football fan after all the BS you just spewed.

Sure playing defensively may not be attractively but guess what Einstein, that's the whole point of football. To win the match or get the result you need is always the first priority. Adding a touch of flair comes only when you're confident you're going to get the result. And tbh I thought it was quite an exciting game. It had the drama and tension and tbh I don't think either team really asserted themselves on the match over the course of the 120 minutes hence why it went to penalties. This is what happens when you have a big high stakes cup final where both teams want to win desperately.

Chelsea deserved to win on the night and throughout the entire campaign given the manner of their comeback against Napoli who completely humbled Man City en-route and then dethroning Barcelona in their own backyard. As I said before if Chelsea had the squad of players and management that say Blackpool or Rochdale have then no amount of luck would help them. Chelsea had the talent to win even with their key players suspended/injured.

you are clueless, deluded and clearly biased. WTF LOL how can you say chelsea deserved it throughout the campaign when you almost got knocked out to benfica who compeltely outplayed you at the bridge. You beat Napoli with about 2 or 3 set pieces as usual and completely rode your luck against a very weak Barcelona.
Its not skill what chelsea does (putting the whole team in your own box) because anyone can do it.
Enjoy the trophy for the worst champions league of all time won by the worst and most unattractive winners because I promise you now that the core of chelsea is drifting away you will not win another for atleast 15 years

[Gridiron-Gangster]

(Original post by Marco Dilivio)
you are clueless, deluded and clearly biased. WTF LOL how can you say chelsea deserved it throughout the campaign when you almost got knocked out to benfica who compeltely outplayed you at the bridge. You beat Napoli with about 2 or 3 set pieces as usual and completely rode your luck against a very weak Barcelona.
Its not skill what chelsea does (putting the whole team in your own box) because anyone can do it.
Enjoy the trophy for the worst champions league of all time won by the worst and most unattractive winners because I promise you now that the core of chelsea is drifting away you will not win another for atleast 15 years

Erm how can I be biased if I'm a Man City fan which I clearly mentioned several posts back?

Clueless and deluded? Sounds a bit like you to be fair.

And if anyone can just put their team in the box and win, well QPR couldn't pull that off against City could they?

Get lost and go sulk in the corner you whining git.

[Solid_Snake7]

(Original post by fosterwho)
Actually, he did. That was a very well placed header, instead of directly heading it into the goal and it being saved.

Watch the replay carefully, he tried to head it with the top part of his head and it hit him lower down because he misjudged the flight of the ball - quite obvious when you see his reaction in slow motion, though that is just my opinion.

[scotttb]

(Original post by Gridiron-Gangster)
Sure playing defensively may not be attractively but guess what Einstein, that's the whole point of football.

technically the whole point of football is to entertain. Millions of fans turn into games to see an entertaining game of football and thanks to Chelsea that didn't happen. No one wants to see 10 man camped on the edge of the box hoping Bayern don't put it in the back of the net. If every game had a team who played like Chelsea its debatable whether football would even exist, and it definetly wouldn't be anywhere near as popular as you wouldn't have neutrals watching **** games, you would just have people that support the team defending pretending they are being entertained.