Are you a royalist or a republican? POLL
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Re: Are you a royalist or a republican? POLLGood result for the Monarchy(Original post by Moleman1996)
Interesting timing, with the TSR referendum in only a few weeks.
let's hope we can pull it off.
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Re: Are you a royalist or a republican? POLLI like the Royals. I think it's part of what we are as British people. I wouldn't change what we have in the U.K, it works extremely well and people like it.
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Re: Are you a royalist or a republican? POLLBecause all revenues from crown lands go directly to the Government, so effectively, they pay 100% tax.(Original post by DaveSmith99)
I also love how big business is (rightly) attacked for not paying enough tax when the queen can get away with it and no one bats an eyelid.
Far more interesting is that MEPs and other EU functionaries are immune from taxation. They do not contribute any income to the state, and are a good example of why we need a monarchy: to keep the politicians from declaring themselves above the law. (The head of the new EU bailout mechanism is also immune from criminal prosecution, which is a little worrying) -
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Re: Are you a royalist or a republican? POLLI was talking more about the £20m-£30m inheritance tax that the Queen decided she didn't want to pay. Why is the queen being above the law okay but a politician being above the law not okay? Both seem equally absurd to me.(Original post by chrisawhitmore)
Because all revenues from crown lands go directly to the Government, so effectively, they pay 100% tax.
Far more interesting is that MEPs and other EU functionaries are immune from taxation. They do not contribute any income to the state, and are a good example of why we need a monarchy: to keep the politicians from declaring themselves above the law. (The head of the new EU bailout mechanism is also immune from criminal prosecution, which is a little worrying) -
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Re: Are you a royalist or a republican? POLLOnce again, as the Crown donates all the revenue from its lands to the Government, expecting them to pay the inheritance tax on it, (given that they don't get any of the income) would have been counterproductive, as the only way the Crown could have raised the money was either to sell some of the land (thus cutting the Government's long term income) or withhold the income for a year, giving up the £40m civil list income, but paying the tax and still leaving the government £130m down on the transaction.(Original post by DaveSmith99)
I was talking more about the £20m-£30m inheritance tax that the Queen decided she didn't want to pay. Why is the queen being above the law okay but a politician being above the law not okay? Both seem equally absurd to me.
As to the difference between having a monarch above the law and the Government being above the law is that the monarch doesn't make the laws or have any real input on the governance of the country. Laws should never be written by people not prepared to follow them. -
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Re: Are you a royalist or a republican? POLLAnd you obviously do not believe in democracy.(Original post by Spaz Man)
I'm a Royalist by default. No President Tony Blair for me thank you very much. -
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Re: Are you a royalist or a republican? POLLNO! see unuoted reply above(Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
But if a majority of people want to have a monarch, it would be undemocratic not to have one, would it not? -
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Re: Are you a royalist or a republican? POLLYou make it sound like it the crown donating the revenue from their land is some kind of charitable act, its not. The lands were making very little under George III so he offered parliament the revenue in exchange for the civil list and paying off his private debt. Not to mention the fact that the royal family still do get a considerable private income from the two Royal duchies.(Original post by chrisawhitmore)
Once again, as the Crown donates all the revenue from its lands to the Government, expecting them to pay the inheritance tax on it, (given that they don't get any of the income) would have been counterproductive, as the only way the Crown could have raised the money was either to sell some of the land (thus cutting the Government's long term income) or withhold the income for a year, giving up the £40m civil list income, but paying the tax and still leaving the government £130m down on the transaction.
As to the difference between having a monarch above the law and the Government being above the law is that the monarch doesn't make the laws or have any real input on the governance of the country. Laws should never be written by people not prepared to follow them.
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Re: Are you a royalist or a republican? POLLI would hate to see the monarchy be removed, however should we ever become a republic I do agree that the a presidency just wouldn't work with the nation...what about Lord Protector that it seems we would have without a monarch?(Original post by Aphotic Cosmos)
I would not be opposed to a republic, but it would have to be the right type of republic. Anybody who proposed the creation of a presidency as opposed to something like a lord governorship (just a different name, but I vehemently do not want a president - that label is not right for the leader of these islands), or the abolition of the parliamentary system, would not have my support. If we are to have a republic it must be tastefully done. -
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Re: Are you a royalist or a republican? POLLSay a referendum were held tomorrow on retaining the monarchy and the vote showed that people wanted to retain the monarchy and the system that determines who shall be the monarch.(Original post by aljolson)
NO! see unuoted reply above
Surely the only democratic outcome of such an event is to retain the monarchy, is it not? -
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Re: Are you a royalist or a republican? POLLThis not acceptable to me, a referendum is not an ongoing thing, but a snapshot of opinion at one point in time, only an election is acceptable to democracy. This is why I believe the monarchy along with the house of lords should be abolished.(Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
Say a referendum were held tomorrow on retaining the monarchy and the vote showed that people wanted to retain the monarchy and the system that determines who shall be the monarch.
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Re: Are you a royalist or a republican? POLLBut the general public still don't really know what the monarchy really does. The fact is that the monarchy, and particularly the royal finances, are deliberately shrouded in secrecy, so a referendum would not be democratic. Not until we have transparency.(Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
Say a referendum were held tomorrow on retaining the monarchy and the vote showed that people wanted to retain the monarchy and the system that determines who shall be the monarch.
Surely the only democratic outcome of such an event is to retain the monarchy, is it not?Last edited by DaveSmith99; 22-05-2012 at 16:24. -
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Re: Are you a royalist or a republican? POLLIt is indeed, but then presumably you would also support a republic if a referendum indicated that was the will of the people?(Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
Say a referendum were held tomorrow on retaining the monarchy and the vote showed that people wanted to retain the monarchy and the system that determines who shall be the monarch.
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Re: Are you a royalist or a republican? POLLIf it be the will of the people, of course. I'm not a zealot.(Original post by Edenwood)
It is indeed, but then presumably you would also support a republic if a referendum indicated that was the will of the people?
However, I do not think that's what the people want; the poll I opened the thread with showed overwhelming support for the monarchy and even on this website which is notable for republican sentiment there is a clear majority in favour of a monarchy.
Of course, I await the results of the official TSR referendum and shall accept whatever the result is with grace.Last edited by Aspiringlawstudent; 22-05-2012 at 16:36.
