Shocking Honour Killing Story...

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Thats a powerful quote yo! (your sig)

Do you like it Bro? Umar (R.A) was a remarkable man, and Muslims today don't understand much of his life. If you read into it, Very extraordinary and absolutely mind-boggling what he achieved in under 10 years of the caliphate.

If he was around today, he would have strictly condemned the parents. This act of honor killing is similar to that of female infanticide where daughters are killed just for being daughters and for going against their tribal and social norms,.

They say that 'Umars whip was stronger than another man's sword' implying that he was strict when it came to justice and law.

Reply 21

Strangeclouds

Anyone trying to associate this with Islam or deny that its a problem within the Pakistani community is delusional and in denial.

I think its unfair for people to jump to conclusions though, this trial isn't over yet, but if it was her parents, then **** them, may they burn in hell. RIP.

Reply 22

SaharaDesert

Original post by Virtus May

You serious?

Yes.

If you think otherwise, feel free to enlighten me.

Reply 23

badcheesecrispy

The fact is, many British Pakistanis marry women from Pakistan who cannot speak English, know nothing about the UK or how to contact for help if they are abused they are generally segregated beyond normal means from the rest of society, and they are brought here to live with the man and his family. This is why so many domestic abuse womens refuges are full of pakistani and other south asian minority women as they often flee abuse in the family home, often by their families or their husbands.

The sheer amount of UK Pakistanis there is is why it seems to happen more with them here, although it is common among many south asians.

Reply 24

Strawberrycayk

That's not an arranged marriage, it's a forced marriage. There's a difference. :facepalm:

Reply 25

sabre2th1

Original post by ManPowa

Yeah its good mashallah. Are you sure its authentic though? I googled it and can't find more than 2 results..

Original post by Strawberrycayk

That's not an arranged marriage, it's a forced marriage. There's a difference. :facepalm:

This^

Reply 26

stingyguji

To those who think that all this force marriage/honor killing nonsense is acceptable in Islam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hl5yVYoXSg

Reply 27

badcheesecrispy

Original post by SaharaDesert

Here we go.

What has this to do with religion? :s-smilie:

Indirectly, the fact that people from this part of the world are usually very religious, religion says girls must be 'chaste', puts emphasis on family, and is heavily integrated in culture which as you will know this honour killing business belongs in.

Of course, directly no religious script allows this or encourages it.

It does however put women as nothing more than property that must keep 'honour' and stay 'chaste'. Put two and two together, think about it and you'll see how religion influences culture, especially with people from this part of the world.

Reply 28

badcheesecrispy

Mr Edis described Shafilea as “a thoroughly westernised young British girl” who was reluctant to follow standards set by her parents.
“In particular she wanted to have boyfriends like most 16 and 17-year-old girls do, and that caused an intense pressure in the family.
“The prosecution say that her parents embarked upon a campaign of domestic violence and abuse designed to force her to conform so that she would behave in the way they expected.”

A short time later she was taken to rural Pakistan, with her parents intending that she get married and remain there.
She told friends it was a forced marriage, and while at her grandparents’ home swallowed a quantity of bleach either as an act of self-harm or in a suicide attempt.
The “act of desperation” ended her parents’ plans for a wedding, but it also caused such serious damage to the teenager’s throat that she was admitted to Warrington General Hospital as soon as she returned to Britain.
Her parents had previously tried to exert control by taking her mobile phone, removing money from her bank account and forcing her to leave a part-time job.

These parents are a disgrace, forcing a girl to leave her job? First BIB- is allowed in Islam for women to be beaten, especially daughters who are meant to obey, if they dont. Still, more a cultural thing although Islam does allow it and no you cannot say otherwise.

Reply 29

SaharaDesert

Original post by badcheesecrispy

Indirectly, the fact that people from this part of the world are usually very religious

First of all, lol @ if you think Pakistan is religious.
Yes, it is a very conservative culture, but their culture also has a lot of superstition, remnants of Hindu religion and other very non-Islamic things.

Here you go, Mr. Green explains it better:
[video="youtube;-P4FIGXNkmM"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P4FIGXNkmM[/video]

religion says girls must be 'chaste', puts emphasis on family, and is heavily integrated in culture which as you will know this honour killing business belongs in.

Yes, but dont get how: being chaste + being nice to family = honour killing.

Reply 30

badcheesecrispy

Original post by SaharaDesert

She clearly wasnt being 'chaste' or heeding family honour, thats why she was killed. I mean, these parents dont want their kids (or is that, daughters? I mean only the women have to suffer dont they?) to have a job or, my god, become westernized, or have a normal life that isnt resembling a rural third world village, they just want all the free things the UK gives out like the NHS and other benefits. Thats pretty obvious, or they would have stayed in Pakistan as they clearly prefer the lifestyle and people.

(edited 11 years ago)

Reply 31

Reale

Original post by SaharaDesert

^True. Many people are Muslims by label, not by package. If anyone wants to look at Islam, don't judge it by its people, judge it by what it's about, because a lot of 'Muslims' follow their culture above Islam's teachings.

btw I condemn this honour/caste business, load of bs.
Don't understand how half these cultures cope :curious:

, although every culture has its ups and downs. Evidently and obviously, the downs should be scrapped..

Reply 32

Pawsies

How did they kill her?

Reply 33

green.tea

These people need the book throwing at them and police need to be investigating people in these communities who sympathise with these sort of crimes and prosecuting for aiding and abetting and that sort of thing. A message needs to be sent that, while we welcome law abiding folk to come here, contribute and enjoy the freedoms of our society, criminality will not be tolerated in any way shape or form. Let them ponder their attitudes to integration with and respect for the rules of the western society that has welcomed them from jail cells.

Reply 34

Iqbal007

Original post by patrickinator

Islam the religion doesn't support honour killings. However it is the custom of the people who are Muslims that commit this. Moreover it is not just Muslims that do this but Christians, Hindus etc. it is just that It is more common in Islam in the UK

You do realise the Muslims who do this are breaking the rules of their faith and would be punished by death.

Reply 35

Iqbal007

Original post by badcheesecrispy

First BIB- is allowed in Islam for women to be beaten, especially daughters who are meant to obey, if they dont. Still, more a cultural thing although Islam does allow it and no you cannot say otherwise.

There are 2 opinions on this, one is where you don't do it at all, the 2nd opinion is very simple just like your wife, this 'beating' is not actually beating as your describe, it's rather a tap shown as symbolism to tell them how far they've gone........but getting her to obey them for things unislamic is wrong hence their sinning even with the second opinion.

Reply 36

Spaz Man

The Qur'an rejected the traditional and cultural practice of killing unwanted female children soon after birth. As it appears in (Qur'an 16:58-59),the religious message states: "When news is brought to one of them, of (the birth of) a female (child), his face darkens, and he is filled with inward grief. With shame he hides himself from his people, because of the bad news he has had! shall he retain it (his face) (sufferance and) contempt, or bury it in the dust? Ah! what an evil (choice) they decide on!"

The Prophet of Islam said that "one to whom a daughter is born and who does not bury her alive, does not humiliate her not prefer a son to a daughter, will be sent to Paradise". Another tradition of Muhammad makes hell fire prohibited to he who undergoes trials and tribulations due to a daughter and yet does not hate her and behaves well towards her.

Reply 37

Virtus May

Original post by SaharaDesert

Yes.

If you think otherwise, feel free to enlighten me.

Much obliged.

Here we go. What has this got to do with religion?

Islamic extremism. It may not be something condoned by the Quran, but such acts were built up from centuries of the violent treatment and insubordination of women in certain Islamic cultures.

Reply 38

SaharaDesert

Original post by Virtus May

Much obliged.

Islamic extremism. It may not be something condoned by the Quran, but such acts were built up from centuries of the violent treatment and insubordination of women in certain Islamic cultures.

Labels like "extreme" Islam, "liberal" Islam etc. are meaningless.

And what exactly is an "Islamic culture"?
Just because you come from a Muslim majority country, doesnt neccessarily mean it is "Islamic", if its not following the rules of the religion.
People are just making up their own terms these days lol.

Reply 39

Mz-Nmh

What her parents did is condoned in Islam. A woman has the right to reject or accept a marriage proposal. Her consent is a prerequisite to the validity of the marital contract, according to the Prophet's teachings. So you can't draw a link to Islam for their inhuman actions.