Anti-Semitism, who takes the biscuit?
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Re: Anti-Semitism, who takes the biscuit?I agree that that often the 6 million Jewish victims (who I feel a great sympathy for) are the only ones remembered and the other 6 million minorities who suffered the same fate as a result of the Nazi crimes are forgetton, I am not saying always its just sometimes some people don't remember them when talking about the Holocaust.(Original post by Perseveranze)
Muslims hate the Israel government and its supporters of oppression, not Jews. Just thought i'd correct you
Most don't deny the holocaust, we just think it's a bit over exagerated.
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Re: Anti-Semitism, who takes the biscuit?Sup H.P. Lovecraft.(Original post by prog2djent)
I'm sure there are people you like, musicians, economists, actors, authors, politicians, from the past, that have held some kind of backward opinions. -
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Re: Anti-Semitism, who takes the biscuit?I don't get how Arabs can be anti-Semitic when Arabs are themselves Semites and Arabic is a Semitic language.
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Re: Anti-Semitism, who takes the biscuit?Like what?(Original post by Carecup)
I wouldn't say so no. When I think of the criticisms of Israel I'm referring more to the aggressive expansion of its territory and its questionable methods when waging war. -
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Re: Anti-Semitism, who takes the biscuit?How about you read some of the opinion polls in the links I provided.(Original post by Perseveranze)
Muslims hate the Israel government and its supporters of oppression, not Jews. Just thought i'd correct you
Most don't deny the holocaust, we just think it's a bit over exagerated.
Jews weren't the only victims you know.
I think I remember one from the Pew centre, where 90% of people in arabic speaking N.Africa have an "unfavourable" view of jews, and 78% have a very unfavourable view.
And Jews made up the vast majority of those killed in the holocaust, they were the main focus of the whole thing.
Essentially wiped out 3 generations, there were 22 million jews in the world in 1930, there are now 14 million, 6.5 million of those are "unaffiliated" (which either means they are non-practacing or are athiest/agnosic and) or secular.
Amazes me that the composition of jews in the world is so liberal, you would think, after the longest hatred of anti-semitism, through the catholic church, the Ottoman empire, the Canards and Protocols or the 19th-early 20th century, and the holocaust, would have wiped them out, demoralised them, or tuned the majority of jews to whatever the jewish version of Salafist Islamism is
The nazi party along with many arabic nations have done their part in killing off a huge chunk of the Jewish population.
It would be interesting to find out just how much you/majority of muslims think the holocaust was exaggerated by, I reckon its millions, and who was behind the so-called exaggeration. -
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Re: Anti-Semitism, who takes the biscuit?Brilliant man,(Original post by Carecup)
Sup H.P. Lovecraft.
but a racist.
Doesn't matter though. -
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Re: Anti-Semitism, who takes the biscuit?(Original post by Perseveranze)
Muslims hate the Israel government and its supporters of oppression, not Jews. Just thought i'd correct you
Most don't deny the holocaust, we just think it's a bit over exagerated.
Jews weren't the only victims you know.
Weee!"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews , when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).Sahih Muslim, 41:6985, see also Sahih Muslim, 41:6981, Sahih Muslim, 41:6982, Sahih Muslim, 41:6983, Sahih Muslim, 41:6984, Sahih al-Bukhari, 4
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Re: Anti-Semitism, who takes the biscuit?Fair enough. Are you a mutualist then?(Original post by prog2djent)
I used to have HG wells as my avatar and he was as racist as they come.
They were men of their time.
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Re: Anti-Semitism, who takes the biscuit?Oh boy, I've heard this argument before, either arabs can't be anti-semites because they are semitic themselves, so that means anti-semitism doesn't exist (that's for the apologists) or that they don't "get" how anti-semitism exists because of the same conditions.(Original post by Manitude)
I don't get how Arabs can be anti-Semitic when Arabs are themselves Semites and Arabic is a Semitic language.
For the record, racism is wrong. If you must hate, hate a person's actions not their race.
"Antisemitism in the Arab world refers to discrimination against Jews in Arab countries. While Arabs are also a Semitic people, the meaning of the English term "antisemitism" refers to discrimination against Jews"
The point is they discriminate, or have hateful feelings towards jews, beacuse they are jews, not because they are semites.
The debate that rages on, which is more important, is whether jews are a race of people, or a religion, which also encompases semites, is being semitic a religion?
Its like when people claim "racism" when you criticise islam, muslims are not a race of people.
Then it gets messed up even further, people from different nations are not a race of people either.
Saying something like "I hate paki's". I know one person who says "i hate paki's" but they like Iranians.
Some people would claim hating pakistani's is racist, but its not, its pure and simple hatefilled discrimination. Pakistani's aren't a race of people, if you said "I hate Swedish people" and someone said "that's racist", people would look at you funny.
People that come from a particular nation are not a race of people, nor are people that belong to a religion.
Now the other complexity arised when you question people's intent, if an arab thinks jews are a race, and hates them, that would be racist (despite the fact Jews are not a race, they are a religious organisation), because they are acting upon their perception of jews, the fact they think they are a race.
Much the same way as someone hating Pakistani's, someone may hate Pakistani's, and understand the are not a race, so they are just discriminating against a nation of people, but if they think Pakistani's are a race of people, that would be racism because of the intent.
Then it gets buggered up even further when people, usually without a scientific approch (its usually the sociologists who have been given too much room for their idiocy), claim race doesn't exist.
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Re: Anti-Semitism, who takes the biscuit?No, but I appreciate his ideas.(Original post by joe3469)
Fair enough. Are you a mutualist then?
Unlike Kropotkin and Marx. -
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Re: Anti-Semitism, who takes the biscuit?I would like to point out to any potential holocaust denyers that my Grandad was one of the first to liberate the Belson camp along with the 8th Corps, we even have an SS guard's Knife in a Chester Draw in the loft.
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Re: Anti-Semitism, who takes the biscuit?so, carry on ....(Original post by Martyn*)
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Re: Anti-Semitism, who takes the biscuit?the muslims arnt against jews as they are the people of the book, if islam was against the jews then why are Muslims permitted to marry jews?(Original post by prog2djent)
The two most anti-semitic factions on the planet come from Nazi's, who are all over-the world but have obviously been centered mostly in Central Europe, or, the arab/muslim-asian world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisem...the_Arab_world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_Antisemitism (links in with europe at the bottom)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_...rom_Arab_lands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Europe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_canard
Its amazing that many nations actually use the Elders of Zion as a legitimate education tool.
rather muslims are against Zionism.
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Re: Anti-Semitism, who takes the biscuit?Innit. If Jews were taking over the world when they're just 0.5%, they deserve respect for such ingenius- it's very hard to take over a planet when you're a very tiny proportion.(Original post by justmyopinions)
No rationality, considering that 0.5% of the world's population are Jews.
Sure, they're taking over the world alright...
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Re: Anti-Semitism, who takes the biscuit?You're encouraging me to say something more?(Original post by prog2djent)
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Re: Anti-Semitism, who takes the biscuit?purchased? lol what drugs are you on? who the hell sells their country.(Original post by justmyopinions)
My great uncle was in a concentration camp and was starved. Nothing has been exaggerated.
P.S. Israel purchased the great majority of the Palestinian land legally
Edit: you're right. Jews accounted for 5.9million out of the 14 Million who were murdered (not in battle, but in camps/gassed/shot/ghettos), which included Jews, Poles, POW's, gypsies, disabled, and homosexuals. -
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Re: Anti-Semitism, who takes the biscuit?Not when a huge proportion of the population is well misinformed and is living in complete denial and ignorance.(Original post by navarre)
Innit. If Jews were taking over the world when they're just 0.5%, they deserve respect for such ingenius- it's very hard to take over a planet when you're a very tiny proportion. -
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Re: Anti-Semitism, who takes the biscuit?nyahh, I'm not a fan of making sweeping statements, but I suppose I'll have to go with Muslims followed by Christians.
It's disturbing to think Ahmadinejad has all but said he denies the Holocaust.
Personally, I don't understand why Judaism is the butt of so many jokes. I haven't a clue what it is about Judaism that pi**ed off the Nazi party in WWII. (Apparently it's something to do with Hitler working for them when he was living on the streets?)
In an ideal world, no-one would discriminate on beliefs or skin colour.
But what I find quite ironic, is that those who are Muslim and discriminate against Jews fail to recognise the similarities in their beliefs (apologies for any offence caused) - Halal meat/kosher meat. There is only one true God. Men and women are to be seperate (in the Orthodox versions).
In the words of Ziggi Shipper (Holocaust survivor); "There is no such thing as a white child or a black child. There are only children. And no child deserved to be slung into gas chambers because of their beliefs or their skin colour. A child is a child, an adult is an adult."Last edited by Flowerii; 22-05-2012 at 19:48. -
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Re: Anti-Semitism, who takes the biscuit?Not counry, but massive proportions of land. Plus, it was the British mandate of Palestine, under British control.(Original post by ali7861012)
purchased? lol what drugs are you on? who the hell sells their country.
