(Original post by Carter78)
It is you who brought poverty into this equation not me. We could spend all day quoting past posts at each other. I think you heavily implied I thought poor people shouldn't vote and showed your previous remarks to back that up. - An assertion that was completely absent from my original question. However we can agree to disagree on that point.
Secondly, the reason I avoided your bait (about whether poor people should vote) was because it had nothing to do with my question about whether or not mentally ill people can vote.
If you and I are to enter a debate about an issue and then you chuck a random question into the equation that serves no purpose to our debate, I'm sorry if you feel offended that I didn't answer this. To paraphrase Dawkins; Just because your question was correctly phrased grammatically, this doesn't mean it was a legitimate one. You may as well have asked what the colour of Thor's pants are for all the purpose that your baited poverty question served. - Why would income affect your capacity to vote when quite obviously mental state can?
Thanks for the link that you provided! My views on whether mentally ill people can/should vote are not set in stone. There are too many shades of grey to make a blanket judgement across all cases, however whilst I'm no lawyer, I'm pretty sure that the term "mentally ill" is supposed (in purpose) to apply to people who suffer paranoid schizophrenia, hallucinations or delusional beliefs that they are Napoleon. Depression - whilst a mental illness - is not a condition that I personally would characterize as making an individual unfit to caste a vote.
My views on voting and prisoners are based on my view of what citizenship constitutes. If the ability to cast a vote is considered a human right, then the logic goes that it is inhumane to strip a prisoner of their voting rights - no matter what their crime. - This is not my view. Mainly because I see voting as inherently linked to citizenship not to human rights. There's a reason why I cannot vote in the USA - because I'm not a US citizen.
The UK state grants citizenship rights to immigrants who have earned the right to become citizens. They live and work here and abide by the laws of society and of the state so are subsequently granted citizenship and voting rights. Therefore the ability to vote in UK elections is a privilege that they have earned. - I would therefore like
the concept of the right to vote to be seen as a privilege of citizenship for all
- naturalized citizens or otherwise. (Not simply as a basic human right for all).
In that way, if you break the laws of the state and go to prison, you lose the right to vote (which is then returned upon release).
We already strip the right to benefits from prisoners. Does that mean that benefits are a human right or a privilege of citizenship? Clearly, the UK state takes the view that benefits falls under the latter category. I would like voting to fall under the latter category as well.