[Metrobeans]

B447 - Immigration Bill 2012, TSR Government

Immigration Act 2012

An act to tackle high levels of unemployment by drastically reducing the level of immigration and then opening it slightly after three years to allow the best of the best into the country. Rewards hard working immigrants and stops others taking the urine.

BE IT ENACTED by The Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Commons in this present Parliament assembled, in accordance with the provisions of the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, and by the authority of the same, as follows:-
1. Asylum Seekers
a) Citizens from other countries who claim asylum, are only successful with their claim, provided that the United Kingdom is their nearest safe country and/or that the United Kingdom is actively involved in a military conflict in their country of origin.

2. Points-Based Immigration
Tier 3 - Low skilled migrants
a) Applications for Tier 3 visas are only accepted when unemployment in the United Kingdom is less than two million.
b) Immigrants are only successful in their application for a Tier 3 visa, provided that they can prove their competence in the English language.
Tier 2 - Skilled workers with an offer of employment
a) Applications for Tier 2 visas are successful provided that the offer of employment is greater than £21,000 p.a
b) Applications for Tier 2 visas are rejected if the applicant cannot prove their competence in the English language.
c) Candidates for Tier 2 visas are eligible to apply for Indefinite Leave to Remain or permanent residence after eight years in the United Kingdom
d) Residents with Tier 2 visas are required to obtain employment paying greater than £20,000 p.a within six months, in the event of being made redundant, dismissed or voluntarily resigned. After six months, a Tier 2 visa will expire and the candidate will be deported, if should they fail to obtain alternative employment.

3. Other Restrictions
a) a) Immigrants who commit a serious criminal offence are deported to their country of origin, irrespective of their immigration status.
b) Immigrants are eligible to receive state benefits (excluding access to the National Health Service and State Education) after working in the United Kingdom for ten non-consecutive years and have been granted Indefinite Leave to Remain or permanent residence.
c) Immigrants are expected to obtain employment within six months of entering a state of unemployment; failure to comply with this regulation results in deportation. This restriction is lifted after working in the United Kingdom for ten non-consecutive years and has been granted Indefinite Leave to Remain or permanent residence.

4. Other Information
a) This act shall come into force after Royal Assent
b) This act may be cited as the Immigration Act 2012
c) This act extends to the whole of the United Kingdom

Changes from first reading

Changes to 1, 2d, 5a and 5b.

[Mechie]

Still no. You can't reduce unemployment by not allowing as many immigrants in, it's just not how it works. You've got to stimulate the economy to try and create jobs for people. This bill is a quite barmy way of looking at it.

Edit: This bill is the epitome of "Dey took our jerbs!1!!"

[stanlas]

The first line really says it all. "An act to tackle high levels of unemployment by drastically reducing the level of immigration." Immigration per se does not increase unemployment, as the amount of labour is not fixed. In a similar way, population growth does not increase unemployment (or we would have significantly more unemployment now then when we had, say, 30 million people in the UK). Tackle the core roots of unemployment; don't just blame the foreigners for it.

[DebatingGreg]

Still a no, primarily for the reasons above.

[Steevee]

Noone is arguing that immigration creates unemployment :lolwut

But at a time when the low-skill job market is utterly saturated there is a need to stop yet more low skill workers in to take those jobs, as regardless of what you claim 2 million odd jobs will not be created overnight. Honestly, you need to stop with these statements about immigration creating unemployment when noone has even made them. Clearly this is a different situation.

[SciFiRory]

still No.

[internetguru]

(Original post by davidmarsh01)
Still no. You can't reduce unemployment by not allowing as many immigrants in, it's just not how it works. You've got to stimulate the economy to try and create jobs for people. This bill is a quite barmy way of looking at it.

Edit: This bill is the epitome of "Dey took our jerbs!1!!"

You don't understand economics.

[super.teve]

There is, at this moment in time "a cap", albeit not an obvious one, in the low-skilled job market, the job market is saturated, supply does not meet demand, and therefore supply needs to be lowered, or demand for employee's increased - or a mixture of the two.

Whilst there is no theoretical cap on employment, there is in reality...

[Birchington]

I fully echo the comments of David and Stanlas. It remains a no from me.

[Rakas21]

We have enough immigration from the EU to satisfy our needs, therefore we should restrict non-EU immigration.

I strongly agree with restricting asylum, the UK is certainly not the closest democratic nation to any war-torn countries unless Sealand is now in a civil war.

[cl_steele]

at the risk of sounding like a UKIP or even worse a BNP supporter im afraid im going to have to agree with this, immigration levels are ridiculous and we cant continue to allow it vast numbers of unskilled labourers. firstly because theres people here who need the jobs that these chaps may otherwise take and secondly because if they cant find a job and go on the doll the British tax payer essentually ends up subsidising strangers, itd be like just giving your money to a stranger for no apparent reason.
for that an aye from me.

[obi_adorno_kenobi]

(Original post by Rakas21)
We have enough immigration from the EU to satisfy our needs, therefore we should restrict non-EU immigration.

Err, how do you then square that with your beloved Commonwealth? You basically want to ban people coming to the UK who don't look like us but dress it up as an EU / non-EU matter. I'm slightly disturbed by the continued focus on immigration over sorting out the reason why there are no jobs about in the first place.

[JPKC]

(Original post by Rakas21)
We have enough immigration from the EU to satisfy our needs, therefore we should restrict non-EU immigration.

I strongly agree with restricting asylum, the UK is certainly not the closest democratic nation to any war-torn countries unless Sealand is now in a civil war.

The United Kingdom is one of the richest nations there are, why should poorer nations closer to disaster zones bare the burden of more refugees simply because we're further away?

[Rakas21]

(Original post by obi_adorno_kenobi)
Err, how do you then square that with your beloved Commonwealth? You basically want to ban people coming to the UK who don't look like us but dress it up as an EU / non-EU matter. I'm slightly disturbed by the continued focus on immigration over sorting out the reason why there are no jobs about in the first place.

In an ideal world we would have a completely open economy with no labour restrictions anywhere however right now we have a shortage of jobs and as a result where possible we should restrict immigration.

[obi_adorno_kenobi]

(Original post by Rakas21)
In an ideal world we would have a completely open economy with no labour restrictions anywhere however right now we have a shortage of jobs and as a result where possible we should restrict immigration.

But there will still be a shortage of jobs. That's the point that your party seem hell-bent on ignoring. Being xenophobic doesn't alter the situation that millions are out of work because there are not enough jobs to go around. Whether they are competing with 2 people or 4, that reality doesn't change with the passage of this bill. What I see in this bill is a party motivated by xenophobia seeking to play to the gallery whilst justifying their actions as good for the economy. It's a fallacious position to hold.

Show any of us irrefutable evidence that foreigners have caused high unemployment, or we'll keep coming back to the accusation that your party is deeply xenophobic.

[Rakas21]

(Original post by JPKC)
The United Kingdom is one of the richest nations there are, why should poorer nations closer to disaster zones bare the burden of more refugees simply because we're further away?

Because many asylum seekers do not contribute to the UK economy, there is a much greater chance that they come from countries with poor education systems and may not even speak English.

[stanlas]

In all honesty, I have to ask this one question....
Why does someone born in the UK have agreater 'right' to a job here than someone born elsewhere? Our place of birth is purely random and outside our control. So why do low skilled British workers 'deserve' these jobs while a low skilled immigrant dosen't?

[Rakas21]

Xenophobic! I would love to live in a world in which every country had open borders so that we could all seek whatever job we wanted but as some countries are poor and some are rich and some do not have open borders we cannot make the UK the place people come to claiming welfare when there is already too much competition for jobs.

[Rakas21]

(Original post by stanlas)
In all honesty, I have to ask this one question....
Why does someone born in the UK have agreater 'right' to a job here than someone born elsewhere? Our place of birth is purely random and outside our control. So why do low skilled British workers 'deserve' these jobs while a low skilled immigrant dosen't?

Because the world is not unified enough for a central welfare system, the UK should not have to pay for immigrant upon immigrant.

[obi_adorno_kenobi]

(Original post by Rakas21)
Xenophobic! I would love to live in a world in which every country had open borders so that we could all seek whatever job we wanted but as some countries are poor and some are rich and some do not have open borders we cannot make the UK the place people come to claiming welfare when there is already too much competition for jobs.

Yes, xenophobic. You've provided zero evidence to the contrary.