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Re: Patriotism, immigration and why we're all so upset.You don't want people to prejudge you or think something of you before meeting you and yet you say that all the British people are this and that and stereotype them and make ridiculous assumptions.(Original post by The Marshall)
Multiculurtism hasn't in fact died. It is because the British people are unwilling to live with immigrants. If you see a non-white person, the British person's attuide suddenly turns sour, I've seen it done too me a LOT.
When I said Multiculturism hasn't died, I mean, there's so many welsh, irish and scots. I'm Indian myself and Britian is a great place for Mutliculturisim.,
But if this country is to do the 2012 olmpyics, one of the things it must learn is that it must co-exist with other people.
It is just really annyoning that you're all being fed by propaganda.
Let me outline what this is:
Daily Mail - Usally protrays Asain people as Lazy, and White British as excellent people. Much like the Nazis. A huge amount of crap is printed.
Immigration - Look, Western countries all over the world are getting masses of immigration. Its not just Britian, The USA is made up of immigrants itself! NO ONE SAID A WORD then. It was only the Amercians that did it. And I'm not really sure there's masses of immigrants coming here to take your houses and jobs. If you're that dumb, go and be like the Nazis, make songs and movies about how Immigrants are cruel.
Refusal to live with Immigrants.
Immigrants follow the laws of any country. You cannot force them to adpot your customs because that is against Human rights. Whereas it says the Immigrants don't want to live with the British people, it is actually they that don't want to live with immigrants.
Sorry if I have offended anyone here, but this is what I think, your immigration thing is so hyped up it causes hatred, when there's nothing to be worried about, the real issue is with Cameron and his damn conservatives that ruining the country at this very momemnt as I type!
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Re: Patriotism, immigration and why we're all so upset.
You don't want people to prejudge you or think something of you before meeting you and yet you say that all the British people are this and that and stereotype them and make ridiculous assumptions.
Ridiculous assumptions? Please, these people are out there doing and they are told off are they? What do you think? There's a high rating of removing immigrants because that is the only topic in the UK. Nothing else, instead of rebuilding your country, you will put the blame on immigrants. -
Re: Patriotism, immigration and why we're all so upset.lol too late(Original post by Agenda Suicide)
obviously being realistic and reasonable and not literally overflowing the country -
Re: Patriotism, immigration and why we're all so upset.Not a very Christian attitude is it?(Original post by Time Tourist)
lol too late -
Re: Patriotism, immigration and why we're all so upset.Truth and honesty are cornerstones of the Christian faith.(Original post by Brutal Honesty)
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Re: Patriotism, immigration and why we're all so upset.(Original post by Drapetomanic)
Never once did I say "it makes no difference what country youre from". I actually think England is pretty good country in comparison to others, and I'd much prefer to live here than the majority of the world. Does that mean I love or devote myself to England? No. Why should I? The merits of England and the UK aren't because of anything I achieved, why take pride in the achievements of others?Gah, can't believe some of the stuff people have posted on this thread ...these are just two posts that make my blood boil.(Original post by SnoochToTheBooch)
hmm well google reckons patriotism's pride in your country. That fits with the clip I posted. People getting all proud and defensive about stuff they've had no part in, buying into an identity/culture because they were randomly born on one side of an imaginary line, discriminating against others born on the other side of it.
Are people *actually* arrogant enough to think they can decide what people can or cannot be proud of? I love my country, I'm very patriotic, and yes I'm damn proud of it! Who cares that I was 'randomly' born here? I love my roots, my country's history, our culture (well not so much modern cultures), our religion ... It's my identity through and through. If you don't like that, then tough, get over it.
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Re: Patriotism, immigration and why we're all so upset.I'm not saying you can't be 'proud' of your country; I just think it's dumb.(Original post by lonelyknight)
Gah, can't believe some of the stuff people have posted on this thread ...these are just two posts that make my blood boil.
Are people *actually* arrogant enough to think they can decide what people can or cannot be proud of? I love my country, I'm very patriotic, and yes I'm damn proud of it! Who cares that I was 'randomly' born here? I love my roots, my country's history, our culture (well not so much modern cultures), our religion ... It's my identity through and through. If you don't like that, then tough, get over it.
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Re: Patriotism, immigration and why we're all so upset.Wasn't dumb when it looked like we would have the Wehrmacht's jackboots marching through our streets.(Original post by Drapetomanic)
I'm not saying you can't be 'proud' of your country; I just think it's dumb. -
Well the thing is, Most of migrants pay the tax, and they also contribute to the country offer what ever skills they to the country just like my family. I lived in this country for about 7 years now and i feel that I am British. During this 7 years, I have always heard ppl telling me to go bak to my country, (its getting much better now). I mean dude, my family pays more tax than a lot "British", and some so called "british" just sit in the house all day waiting to be feed and go out and causes trouble... And end of the day they think we took all the jobs. My parents works hard to pay all the bills! It's a bit heart broken sometime hear things like that... We left my country to search a better life and now we worked hard and achieved a better life, we own this country a lot, and we are and always will support this country in whatever way that is necessary!
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A dog born in a stable is never called a horse? So u are suggesting any other race a part from being "white" is not human ? Cuz dog and horse are completely different animals.... I understand your point of preserving the "white" and I do agree with you but only up to a limit. EDLs and BNPs , they have their point and I don't totally disagree with them, if they have no limits then they will become Nazis (some of them actually think they are) and i hope everything you say and everything you have in mind also has a limit.(Original post by Serpent Snake)
Immigration should be completely stopped and we should repatriate all non-Whites they are not indigenous to Europe or Britain.
Everybody knows what a Chinese person looks like for example... why is it racist to say that to be British you have to be White? It is called a fact.
There is two meanings to British, a citizen or an ethnicity... yes by all means you can be a British citizen and be of any ethnicity or race but you cannot be non-White and be an ethnic British person.
Never heard the saying "a dog born in a stable is not a horse", we all know exactly what it means, we are different races, the left wing try and say that dogs and horses are different species but we are all the same specie but different species can mix so that makes the counter-side argument void, being born somewhere doesn't necessarily make you that identity automatically, just a citizen.
My whole family come from a working class background, my paternal side are all off-shore and my maternal side have always worked as carers, factories and so on... my whole family have always worked and so do I.
I pay taxes, I would like to see what that is being spent on yet I don't and nor do any other tax payer but if you are a foreigner you are welcomed in with open arms and giving everything given to you without any questions or paying anything into the kitty.
Should also bring back capital punishment and hang all pedos, murderers and so forth.
Benefits should only be allowed to people who do look for work and not foreigners or the scum (any race) who have kids at young ages so they don't have to work and get a house and benefits.
People moan all the time about 'racism' but you do not see any other countries like in Africa or Asia flooded with mass immigration or take the religious side of things (even though Islam is a religion not an ethnicity/race so how you can be racist against it baffles me) why should we British people sit back and accept the Islam religion and culture forced onto us and just think it is okay watching our country being taken away from us without saying a single word.
How do you expect foreign countries to improve if we have the people from there?
Anti-Racist is Code for Anti-White!
You don't see Catholic churches being built in the middle east, do you? No.
There wasn't even a referendum for this multiculturalism rubbish we have to put up with.
Multiculturalism is just legal genocide.
I do respect other ethnic groups, races and religions or culture but if you want to live by that then visit them places and don't enforce it onto Britain, the vast majority of people are against it but scared to speak out in fear of being called a racist.
Just because I respect them it doesn't mean we should mix race or have all cultures and religions thrown into one pot, it then becomes a melting pot... race mixing destroys both races involved and the propaganda saying they are genetically better off is absolute utter rubbish and nothing but left wing propaganda theory with no evidence to back it up, everything is on the contrary to it.
Multiculturalism and immigration is and will be the end to the British way of life, my late ancestors will be turning their graves if their seen Britain as it is today.
People constantly throw hatred to far-right wing groups like the BNP, NF, BM, C18 and all the others but the UAF and all the other left-wing groups are just as bad and constantly cause the violence yet nothing is ever done because of the political correctness of this damn country.
I am proud to be an ethnic British male, I am a proud white male, I want to preserve my country and race, the Jews do it with Israel, the blacks do it, the browns do it, so why is it when a white person speaks out of being proud their will automatically be frowned upon and labelled all sorts of things? Double standards.
Isn't it strange as well how when you see (normally white girls very few white males really) that are with people outside of their race their are either fat, ugly or complete rejects who don't give a monkeys? **The truth is hate to those who hate the truth**.
I have no doubt people might oppose what I say (I can guess the people who do will be non-White or left wing commies any ways) but think of it this way, is it really right that the mixed-race population is becoming the fastest ethnic group in Britain or the fact British people will be the minority by 2066 in their own country? If you agree with that then you are bonkers...
This sort of thing really does boil my piss.
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Re: Patriotism, immigration and why we're all so upset.Daily Mail - Usally protrays Asain people as Lazy, and White British as excellent people. Much like the Nazis. A huge amount of crap is printed.(Original post by Serpent Snake)
Immigration should be completely stopped and we should repatriate all non-Whites they are not indigenous to Europe or Britain.
Everybody knows what a Chinese person looks like for example... why is it racist to say that to be British you have to be White? It is called a fact.
There is two meanings to British, a citizen or an ethnicity... yes by all means you can be a British citizen and be of any ethnicity or race but you cannot be non-White and be an ethnic British person.
Never heard the saying "a dog born in a stable is not a horse", we all know exactly what it means, we are different races, the left wing try and say that dogs and horses are different species but we are all the same specie but different species can mix so that makes the counter-side argument void, being born somewhere doesn't necessarily make you that identity automatically, just a citizen.
My whole family come from a working class background, my paternal side are all off-shore and my maternal side have always worked as carers, factories and so on... my whole family have always worked and so do I.
I pay taxes, I would like to see what that is being spent on yet I don't and nor do any other tax payer but if you are a foreigner you are welcomed in with open arms and giving everything given to you without any questions or paying anything into the kitty.
Should also bring back capital punishment and hang all pedos, murderers and so forth.
Benefits should only be allowed to people who do look for work and not foreigners or the scum (any race) who have kids at young ages so they don't have to work and get a house and benefits.
People moan all the time about 'racism' but you do not see any other countries like in Africa or Asia flooded with mass immigration or take the religious side of things (even though Islam is a religion not an ethnicity/race so how you can be racist against it baffles me) why should we British people sit back and accept the Islam religion and culture forced onto us and just think it is okay watching our country being taken away from us without saying a single word.
How do you expect foreign countries to improve if we have the people from there?
Anti-Racist is Code for Anti-White!
You don't see Catholic churches being built in the middle east, do you? No.
There wasn't even a referendum for this multiculturalism rubbish we have to put up with.
Multiculturalism is just legal genocide.
I do respect other ethnic groups, races and religions or culture but if you want to live by that then visit them places and don't enforce it onto Britain, the vast majority of people are against it but scared to speak out in fear of being called a racist.
Just because I respect them it doesn't mean we should mix race or have all cultures and religions thrown into one pot, it then becomes a melting pot... race mixing destroys both races involved and the propaganda saying they are genetically better off is absolute utter rubbish and nothing but left wing propaganda theory with no evidence to back it up, everything is on the contrary to it.
Multiculturalism and immigration is and will be the end to the British way of life, my late ancestors will be turning their graves if their seen Britain as it is today.
People constantly throw hatred to far-right wing groups like the BNP, NF, BM, C18 and all the others but the UAF and all the other left-wing groups are just as bad and constantly cause the violence yet nothing is ever done because of the political correctness of this damn country.
I am proud to be an ethnic British male, I am a proud white male, I want to preserve my country and race, the Jews do it with Israel, the blacks do it, the browns do it, so why is it when a white person speaks out of being proud their will automatically be frowned upon and labelled all sorts of things? Double standards.
Isn't it strange as well how when you see (normally white girls very few white males really) that are with people outside of their race their are either fat, ugly or complete rejects who don't give a monkeys? **The truth is hate to those who hate the truth**.
I have no doubt people might oppose what I say (I can guess the people who do will be non-White or left wing commies any ways) but think of it this way, is it really right that the mixed-race population is becoming the fastest ethnic group in Britain or the fact British people will be the minority by 2066 in their own country? If you agree with that then you are bonkers...
This sort of thing really does boil my piss.
Immigration - Look, Western countries all over the world are getting masses of immigration. Its not just Britian, The USA is made up of immigrants itself! NO ONE SAID A WORD then. It was only the Amercians that did it. And I'm not really sure there's masses of immigrants coming here to take your houses and jobs. If you're that dumb, go and be like the Nazis, make songs and movies about how Immigrants are cruel.
Refusal to live with Immigrants.
Immigrants follow the laws of any country. You cannot force them to adpot your customs because that is against Human rights. Whereas it says the Immigrants don't want to live with the British people, it is actually they that don't want to live with immigrants. -
Re: Patriotism, immigration and why we're all so upset.
myself and housemate had this discussion with a female friend last week FYI im irish (and very nationlistic and proud of it) and hes scottish. She's english and very politically correct and she of the opinion that britian should welcome other cultures over thier own. Both myself and my housemate argued this, saying Britians losing of its cultural identity and British people being afraid to be patriotic as they might offend someone is disgusting and in many regards cowardly. She said that leaves other minorities feeling unwelcome - our answer theres fault on both sides. Britian is highly accomodating as a country despite groups like the EDL ranting on about "the muzzies" but immigrants also need to take a step forward as well. There is a reason why Britain is becoming increasingly a laughing stock - because you are getting a reputation of "we will let everyone walk all over us"
other countries rightfully imo tell other people where to go if thier culture impedes the native one
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Re: Patriotism, immigration and why we're all so upset.
I find it difficult to be proud to be British specifically because the union isn't balanced. It's like the USA and Canada forming a union, but the new nationality would be put mainly onto the Americans while Canadians are distinguished. Proud to be English definitely. Not very happy at how overpopulated England is. I don't want some metropolis to come out, like an infinite London.
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Re: Patriotism, immigration and why we're all so upset.
People cannot identify the values that exist amongst all Britons because they realise their imagination has no physical application. Because this is only an idiosyncratic, arbitrary imagination that has no physical application, the answer to 'what makes a person British' will vary considerably amongst various people, which means there will be British people who wouldn't consider other British people to be British based on their imagined traits. Of course, when this situation arises, they will begin to make exceptions, backtrack and eventually claim 'there are no single traits that can be identified and British culture is an undefinable continuum', yet continue to carefully select traits that are illogically 'incompatible with British culture/this undefinable continuum' when a migrant enters the discussion.

Exceptions are made for all Britons, where regardless of what they do they are still behaving in a British way that is neither contentious nor divisive. When a migrant does something, all of a sudden they are 'segregating themselves' (are you friends with everyone you meet, or only those who you personally consider to be the most socioculturally compatible? Why is it that only associating with people you like the most becomes contentious when done by migrants, but not by every other person in the country as a natural part of social interaction? How often do you see the elderly becoming good friends with adolescents, or people into the gothic scene associating with those who are active, practising Christians, for example? They associate with each other, because they have identified those other individuals as being more socioculturally compatible than various other individuals), destroying the 'British way of life' (the 'way of life' that cannot be codified and is a false imagination), and/or contributing to 'multiculturalism' (is everyone like the Queen? If not, 'multiculturalism' exists within society amongst British people). Of course, because the parties are British, this 'multiculturalism' is not at all contentious; sociocultural difference only becomes a problem when the parties are not British. Critical thinking is the enemy of unfounded, facile imaginations. Phillips (2009) and Baumann (1996) address the implications of this cultural reification.
The distinct, coterminous 'set' of traits they claim exists as an objective point of delineation to migrants is simply not present. You are not friends with everyone you meet because their sociocultural traits are incompatible with yours, despite both parties being British. The only national obligation is to follow the law.Last edited by whyumadtho; 31-05-2012 at 12:49. -
Re: Patriotism, immigration and why we're all so upset.If you say us rubbish, then everything you have written so far on this thread, is rubbish, rubbish and a 100% racist.(Original post by Serpent Snake)
I did expect this a non-White person to get angry and post rubbish.
You avoided all I said and just threw the race card at me, try again next time.
Europe for Europeans, Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians but unfortunately 'Europe' is for anyone...
I read the rubbish you typed and you then throw the Nazi card at me... my goodness gracious me... you really are silly.
My personal political views have nothing to do with the situation that multiculturalism was not even asked but forced upon us and that people have had enough quite frankly.
Take you and your descendants and hop on a banana boat back to your origins, goodbye.
The British Empire ruled many non-White areas but in case you forgot that is conquering land not resettling there and making the majority become the minority.
I will also call you brown people as much as I like... that is what Asians are, some yellow as well of course.
Avoided? You don't even have the guts to answer any of my questions. If you can be racist, why can't I then? Is there a problem, Nazi? Or have I hurt your feelings? I feel no sympathy for people like you who poison their minds. And this comment about white genocide. Where is it mentioned? Did I write it? In fact , then what you are saying is all non whites support this.
By white race, I assume everyone who is white and white must deserve to live. Anyone who isn't doesn't deserve to live. Thats your opinion, am I not right Nazi? Your views have everything to do with this. If you wanted to start non white genocide, please do so, you're very welcome. America is a country full of whites and non whites. Does that mean you support the Klu Klux Klan?
Man, you are think you are supeiror? I have faced all this rubbish and crap before. You're not the first. And grow some balls. Instead of picking out things, reply in a full , mannered responsive answer. And refrain from making such simple comments.
Take you and your descendants and hop on a banana boat back to your origins, goodbye.
Hahahhaha! My God, do you know how much hatred you present in this? Hahaha! Hahah! hahah!ghagagga! My god, please make more responses like this! I love it!
I aslo expected a response from such a coward like you. Learn to Answer. If you think you're so strong,then fight me. Fight in this racial debate in which you intend to make sure non whites don't live. All you say is rubbish.
You support the right for Africa for Africans and Asia for Asians... why can Europe not just be Europeans?
Where? hahahah? Where I have said that? You Europeans fully colonised Africa and treated Africans as your slaves. So it can't be Europe for Europeans, your country is already fine. Rather you tend to want to wipe us races out. You call Asians yellow? Did you know what the Japanese were? A weak cowarldy race? No, they were Samurai, and they cut your heads off. So back off.
We are all of the same race that is why other European people like Greeks, Italians, Dutch, Germans and so forth are welcomed here... Pan-European and nationalism is on the rise that is what YOU fear, we do not fear you, we oppose scumbags like you, now jog on.
So then you say Non whites must and never will be accepted into a community? You fear us more. Fool did you not realise that since the UK is being swaped as you put it, its now your turn? You ruled us, now its our turn to come into your country and just live, not conquer. So if you said I fear, then will you bring a gang of whites and bash up every single non white in the UK? Would you? Would you be willing to lead the White people in heroism? I ain't afriad of nobody , and we oppose filth like you, white racist. Every white racist is an annoying pest. I have no hatred for white people, its their racists I hate about them.
The Daily Mail, as I outline:
Daily Mail - Usally protrays Asain people as Lazy, and White British as excellent people. Much like the Nazis. A huge amount of crap is printed.
Immigration - Look, Western countries all over the world are getting masses of immigration. Its not just Britian, The USA is made up of immigrants itself! NO ONE SAID A WORD then. It was only the Amercians that did it. And I'm not really sure there's masses of immigrants coming here to take your houses and jobs. If you're that dumb, go and be like the Nazis, make songs and movies about how Immigrants are cruel.
Refusal to live with Immigrants.
Immigrants follow the laws of any country. You cannot force them to adpot your customs because that is against Human rights. Whereas it says the Immigrants don't want to live with the British people, it is actually they that don't want to live with immigrants.
So you jog off, racist.Last edited by The Marshall; 31-05-2012 at 16:15. -
Re: Patriotism, immigration and why we're all so upset.
Further more, you claim I use the race card? You were the one that actually pulled it up. Don't put blame people just like that. Its perfectly fine of you to be racist, but if we do, we use the race card. Very funny. That is actually your fault. So, bum, you cannot stand in front of a Samurai. You'd killed in seconds.
Africa for Africans? Do you know how many countries are there? Its not Africa for Africans, its seperate countries. Same as Asia for Asians. I despise Pakistanis. India and Pakistan, China and Japan. There is no Asia for Asians. You are so damn ignorant that you wouldn't bother to find out that people live very differently.
Multiculturism hasn't been forced on you. You are a simple commoner with no sense. Go and join the Klu Klux Klan. Where have you seen Asians attempting to burn your house, kill your kids and rape people? You ever seen that? No. So don't make ****ing assumptions.
And by the way, China could get rid you of white racists in one sec.Last edited by The Marshall; 31-05-2012 at 16:16.

