[Spaz Man]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Despite the fact Israel is a more internally liberal society than the majority of europe.

"Internally" is the word here. While Israel allows the building of illegal settlements and the stealing of land which is banned by their own Supreme Court yet completely ignored.

While it massacres 1600 people in three weeks in 08/09 in the occupied Gaza strip and uses illegal chemical and biological weaponry on women and children which Amnesty international have described as "burning people inside out".

Blowing up entire U.N schools and hospitals of which the co-ordinates were given to the IDF so that they would know exactly where they were so that they wouldn't attack them, killing over 40 children in cold blood in one strike.

Almostly weekly launching kidnappings and targeted assassinations of both Hamas and Fatah members in both the West Bank and Gaza.

[prog2djent]

(Original post by getoom)
yes

but i have seen that Muslims who do not follow their own religion properly carry this view

Which?

[Spaz Man]

I think this sums up Zionism nicely:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FABqq_jjRRo

[prog2djent]

(Original post by exe)
Wow ur so edgy bro!!111

Jesus christ Liberalism has ruined this country.

I'm probably not the type of liberal you are thinking of.

[getoom]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Stop asking questions, open the link, read it all, and comment on the parts you have a problem with, Christ sake man.

thats what im doing and commenting as i go along coz i might forget the parts i have a problem with and i will ammend earlier posts to fit it in

but kindly answer the question anyway

[prog2djent]

(Original post by Spaz Man)

Almostly weekly launching kidnappings and targeted assassinations of both Hamas and Fatah members in both the West Bank and Gaza.

Agree with everything you have said in the parts I've chopped out, but this is surely a good thing, as it would be for the same organisations to Kidnap and Kill Israeli war criminals.

Hamas are absolute SCUM.

Atleast Israel has a very accepting attitude to positions we in the west have held as a standard since the 20th century.

Both have commited terrible acts, but one of them is terrible to all people concerned,

homosexuals
women
non-sunni muslims
westeners
christians
jews
atheists
apostates

list can go on forever brah

[prog2djent]

(Original post by getoom)
thats what im doing and commenting as i go along coz i might forget the parts i have a problem with and i will ammend earlier posts to fit it in

but kindly answer the question anyway

Gah!

Sorry getoom trying to keep track of posts, threads and watching Blade at the same time haha. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be answering and sorry for saying "christ sake" but I hadn't read your post saying "my bad" at the time.

[Spaz Man]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Agree with everything you have said in the parts I've chopped out, but this is surely a good thing, as it would be for the same organisations to Kidnap and Kill Israeli war criminals.

Hamas are absolute SCUM.

Atleast Israel has a very accepting attitude to positions we in the west have held as a standard since the 20th century.

Both have commited terrible acts, but one of them is terrible to all people concerned,

homosexuals
women
non-sunni muslims
westeners
christians
jews
atheists
apostates

list can go on forever brah

What have Hamas done to people that's worse than using biological and chemical weaponry that's illegal internationally on women and children?

[getoom]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Gah!

Sorry getoom trying to keep track of posts, threads and watching Blade at the same time haha. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be answering and sorry for saying "christ sake" but I hadn't read your post saying "my bad" at the time.

does it say that those figures are purely 'muslim jew haters (i know it quotes the figures from turkey but that seems to be it)

s'cool

[prog2djent]

(Original post by Spaz Man)
I think this sums up Zionism nicely:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FABqq_jjRRo

There was mixed bag of genuine idiots and bigots at that rally, and people with genuine concerns, and those that are misguided/unaware, the people in the middle of the video especially, beige jacket woman and stereotypical Jewish looking person :P

[Iqbal007]

(Original post by spaz man)
i think this sums up zionism nicely:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=fabqq_jjrro

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

[prog2djent]

(Original post by Spaz Man)
What have Hamas done to people that's worse than using biological and chemical weaponry that's illegal internationally on women and children?

Read my post again, then type in Hamas followed by anything from my list on google.

[Spaz Man]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Read my post again, then type in Hamas followed by anything from my list on google.

I really can't be bothered. Just give me the sources.

[Niassuh]

(Original post by TheStudent.)
Maybe we should do a poll on the number of arab/muslims that know what zionism is.

I'm both and I have no ****ing clue.

Me too
Everything I've read on it makes it seem pretty reasonable

[Spaz Man]

(Original post by Niassuh)
Me too
Everything I've read on it makes it seem pretty reasonable

What on Earth is reasonable about Zionism?

[Niassuh]

(Original post by Spaz Man)
What on Earth is reasonable about Zionism?

Feel free to enlighten me, but I've been getting the impression that Zionism wants the return of Jews to Israel so they're liberated from anti-Semitic discrimination and persecution?

Maybe we're not on the same internet

[snozzle]

Islam needs an other.

[snozzle]

(Original post by Spaz Man)
What on Earth is reasonable about Zionism?

What is so unreasonable about the idea of a state for the Jews?

[Spaz Man]

(Original post by Niassuh)
Feel free to enlighten me, but I've been getting the impression that Zionism wants the return of Jews to Israel so they're liberated from anti-Semitic discrimination and persecution?

Maybe we're not on the same internet

Arab Jews and arab non-jews have been living in Palestine in peace for centuries before the creation of Israel. What Zionism advocates is stealing thousands of miles of land from other people from the Mediterranean to the river Euphrates in Iraq in order to establish a state for the European Jews. Remember the Jews that stole land to set up Israel were athiest supremists.

The return of which Jews? Some jews fled Palestine under Roman persecution thousands of years ago. What right do their ancestors have to take other people's land now?

[TheStudent.]

(Original post by Spaz Man)
Arab Jews and arab non-jews have been living in Palestine in peace for centuries before the creation of Israel. What Zionism advocates is stealing thousands of miles of land from other people from the Mediterranean to the river Euphrates in Iraq in order to establish a state for the European Jews. Remember the Jews that stole land to set up Israel were athiest supremists.

The return of which Jews? Some jews fled Palestine under Roman persecution thousands of years ago. What right do they have to take other people's land now?

Funny how we're talking about the stealing of land than runs through iraq, and yet nothing is said about America, who feel they have the right to do just that whensoever they please if they feel threatened.

Remember the Americans that declared war on Iraq for personal gain? Yes oil. Remember how they allowed a terrorist to be freed from jail on the basis that he had cancer, only because the UK were on good terms with Libya BECAUSE of the fuel industry?

To be honest, zionism sounds weird, and nothings really going to come of it, except fuelling debates on TSR.