[Zozzy]

I'm doing the place poems, and was just wondering if anybody else is doing this section, I was just wondering which poems do people think compare well with each other, so far I've got some parings:

The Blackbird of Glanmore and the Wild Swans at Coole
The Moment and Below the Green Corrie
Price we pay for the sun and the Vision
Crossing the Loch and Extract from the Prelude
The Wild Swans at Coole and the Moment
Spellbound and Wind
Storm in the Black forest and Spellbound

So the poems which I have't got any to compare with at the moment are
Cold Knap Lake
Hard Water
London

I was wondering what do you think of these comparisons, and which other poems do you think these three compare well with?

[68242]

I'm so glad someone else is doing place, I couldn't find anyone!

In my mind I've linked together -

London and Crossing the Loch (threat and danger so could also work with the Prelude)
Cold Knap Lake and Crossing the Loch (both about things not being as they seem, doubting memories. Things also not as they seem in Neighbours and to an extent the Moment)
Hard Water and Neighbours (both about belonging and sense of community)

The ones you've already got work really well

Unless you're doing foundation you won't be directly asked about The Blackbird of Glanmore and Spellbound I think it is. Also Wind and London were asked about last year, so were the themes of feelings about a place and threat of nature.

Good luck for the exam, I'm really nervous for it!

[Zozzy]

(Original post by 68242)
I'm so glad someone else is doing place, I couldn't find anyone!

In my mind I've linked together -

London and Crossing the Loch (threat and danger so could also work with the Prelude)
Cold Knap Lake and Crossing the Loch (both about things not being as they seem, doubting memories. Things also not as they seem in Neighbours and to an extent the Moment)
Hard Water and Neighbours (both about belonging and sense of community)

The ones you've already got work really well

Unless you're doing foundation you won't be directly asked about The Blackbird of Glanmore and Spellbound I think it is. Also Wind and London were asked about last year, so were the themes of feelings about a place and threat of nature.

Good luck for the exam, I'm really nervous for it!

I cannot quite describe how happy I was when I read those comparisons, I feel really stupid nor for not spotting them XD, but they make loads of sense, thank you so much, and I know right nearly everyone else I've asked seems to be doing the conflict ones.

I'm really nervous about the exam too, especially as I got a B in the 1H module, so I really badly need to get an A in this to meet my target grade of an A, but I'm hoping my coursework mark of an A* should help out a little to even it all out. I'm feeling a litl emore confident about htis exam than last years just because I'm better at analysing poetry over books but I'm still really nervous that my mind will just go blank in the exam.

Good luck to you too

[68242]

I too got an A* in the coursework but did the paper 1 on tuesday so no idea how I've done - extra pressure there! Also got chemistry tomorrow so I'm not confident about the english straight after

[Zozzy]

(Original post by 68242)
I too got an A* in the coursework but did the paper 1 on tuesday so no idea how I've done - extra pressure there! Also got chemistry tomorrow so I'm not confident about the english straight after

Wow same here! I retook the paper on Tuesday becuase wasn't happy with a B after last year. Which books did you do I did the Crucible and To Kill a mockingbird. I also have double chemistry tomorrow straight before English which is really going to suck plus I have a product design exam first thing on Friday so I've been trying to prepare for four big exams at once TOO MANY EXAMS!

[Wintabix]

Hey is anyone doing the conflict poetry? Anyone got a good idea on which poems to pair up? Thanks

[68242]

(Original post by Zozzy)
Wow same here! I retook the paper on Tuesday becuase wasn't happy with a B after last year. Which books did you do I did the Crucible and To Kill a mockingbird. I also have double chemistry tomorrow straight before English which is really going to suck plus I have a product design exam first thing on Friday so I've been trying to prepare for four big exams at once TOO MANY EXAMS!

I did An Inspector Calls and Of Mice and Men. It was really worrying when we came out as everyone said there's had gone really well and mine was awful!

Too many exams for me as well. I have latin first thing on friday and it is my worst subject - I am doomed!!

[Zozzy]

(Original post by 68242)
I did An Inspector Calls and Of Mice and Men. It was really worrying when we came out as everyone said there's had gone really well and mine was awful!

Too many exams for me as well. I have latin first thing on friday and it is my worst subject - I am doomed!!

Did everybody at your school really find it easy? People I spoke to at my school said it was really difficult too, and some people were doing of Mice and Men so I wouldn't worry about it too much, and again looking at the forums on here it seems that people generally think it was pretty difficult so hopefully the grade boundaries will be low *crosses fingers*

good luck for latin, and I'm sure it will go fine , but I know right, like next Wednesday I have the worst day ever for exams, I've got two physics papers in the morning followed by a two hour additional maths paper followed by an hour and a half business paper, I am just going to die XD

[68242]

(Original post by Zozzy)
Did everybody at your school really find it easy? People I spoke to at my school said it was really difficult too, and some people were doing of Mice and Men so I wouldn't worry about it too much, and again looking at the forums on here it seems that people generally think it was pretty difficult so hopefully the grade boundaries will be low *crosses fingers*

good luck for latin, and I'm sure it will go fine , but I know right, like next Wednesday I have the worst day ever for exams, I've got two physics papers in the morning followed by a two hour additional maths paper followed by an hour and a half business paper, I am just going to die XD

That is awful, I thought my worst day was bad and that's only history, physics and latin

[AdammWaterss]

Hey guys, hows you're exams going so far? My biggest worry has definitely been English Lit, however, I found the exam on Tuesday fairly easy. I did To Kill A Mockingbird and An Inspector Calls and the question for Inspector was a god-send. In terms of Poetry tomorrow, I'm doing Place to and I'm worried once again as Poetry is not my strong point that's for sure. I found that you can compare the place of London and A Vision together. Both poets show a pessimistic view towards the poems and both poems show a bleak outlook on the place. A Vision contrasts the future tense with the past tense in the first line portraying an idea that the future is already written, and the poet shows contrasts between an ideal future with reality to display disappointment, London talks about chartered streets ETC..

You could also compare the place in Hard Water with Price We Pay For The Sun and Cold Knap Lake goes well with the Moment. One I also find that goes especially well together is Storm In The Black Forest and Wind.

I wish you guys the best of luck for tomorrow
I have chemistry additional at 9, worried about that too

[68242]

Does anyone have any good annotations for the Prelude? My mind's gone completely blank on it and I have nothing!!!

[GrantG]

Is this how you structure answer

Paragraph 1 - Compare the meanings of poems
P2 - Compare the imagery in the poems
P3 - Compare the tone of the poems
P4 - Compare the structure of the poems
P5 - Compare the language of the poems

[68242]

I wouldn't manage 5 paragraphs but I write slowly. What I do is -

Introduction - briefly mention the three points I'm discussing.
P1 - First point on any similarity difference. First and last sentence to link point to the question.
P2+P3 - Same as first paragraph, obviously different points!
Conclusion - Link what I've written back to question and evaluate poems.

[Saba Mumraz]

(Original post by Wintabix)
Hey is anyone doing the conflict poetry? Anyone got a good idea on which poems to pair up? Thanks

it kind of depends on what the question asks really. you could compare them all really because they all portray a type of conflict but here's some pairs. btw if your doing higher tier, Flag, Falling leaves and Right word will not be named so im only revising Flag from these 3 cuz its good for comparison.

Come on, Come back - ‘Out of the Blue’ – an imagined voice, a victim &
‘Bayonet Charge’ – the soldier’s experience

Next to of course god America i - ‘Bayonet Charge’ – patriotism in theory and practice &
‘Flag’ – patriotism, symbols and causes of conflict

Hawk Roosting - ‘Hawk Roosting’ is very different from other poems in the cluster, which generally are upset by conflict and seek to question it, whereas ‘Hawk Roosting’ perhaps tries to explain it. Consider what other poems say about human nature in comparison with ‘Hawk Roosting’.

Mametz Wood - ‘Poppies’ – contemporary poem, mourning loss & ‘Futility’ and ‘The Falling Leaves’ – World War 1, death and loss

The Charge of the Light Brigade - ‘Bayonet Charge’ – account of battle and experience of the battlefield & ‘Futility’ – death in battle: noble or futile? & ‘Come On, Come Back’ – contrasting tone in the aftermath of battle

At the Border, 1979 - ‘next to of course god america i’ – reflection on belonging and national identity

Out of the Blue - ‘Bayonet Charge’ – 1st person, dramatic monologue and experience of conflict & ‘Belfast Confetti’ – 1st person and civilian victim of terrorism

The Yellow Palm - ‘Belfast Confetti’ – city/civilians under attack & ‘Come On, Come Back’ – sadness and loss of innocence & ‘At the Border, 1979’ – civilians and Iraq

Flag (not named but good comparison) - ‘At the Border, 1979’ – causes of conflict &
‘next to of course god america i’ – concepts of patriotism

Belfast Confetti - ‘Out of the Blue’ – civilian’s experience, impact of conflict / terrorism &
‘The Yellow Palm’ – impact of conflict on city and its people

Bayonet Charge - ‘The Charge of the Light Brigade’ – experience of conflict/battle &
‘Come On Come Back’ – consequences of battle & ‘next to of course god america i’ – patriotism

Poppies - ‘Futility’ – death and the loss of a carefully nurtured life

Futility - ‘Mametz Wood’ – WW1, soldiers and death & ‘Poppies’ – mourning and loss

Bit confusing and its kind of late, but hope it helped

[GrantG]

(Original post by 68242)
I wouldn't manage 5 paragraphs but I write slowly. What I do is -

Introduction - briefly mention the three points I'm discussing.
P1 - First point on any similarity difference. First and last sentence to link point to the question.
P2+P3 - Same as first paragraph, obviously different points!
Conclusion - Link what I've written back to question and evaluate poems.

You don't get marks for intros and cons

What similarities would you pick out (language sims, structure sim?

[Saba Mumraz]

(Original post by GrantG)
You don't get marks for intros and cons

What similarities would you pick out (language sims, structure sim?

hey ive got this exam tomorrow!
for language you could say whether or not they both have: repetition, alliteration, assonance, similies, metaphors, personifictaion etc.
for structure: lengths of sentences + effects, lengths of stanzas, enjambment, punctuaution.
for form: rhyme scheme, is it a sonnet? is it a ballad? does sound lyrical?
you could also mention attitude and tone

[68242]

(Original post by Saba Mumraz)
hey ive got this exam tomorrow!
for language you could say whether or not they both have: repetition, alliteration, assonance, similies, metaphors, personifictaion etc.
for structure: lengths of sentences + effects, lengths of stanzas, enjambment, punctuaution.
for form: rhyme scheme, is it a sonnet? is it a ballad? does sound lyrical?
you could also mention attitude and tone

All of those and recurring themes like comparing the mountains to highwaymen in one poem and use of colloquial language in Hard Water.

[Wintabix]

(Original post by Saba Mumraz)
it kind of depends on what the question asks really. you could compare them all really because they all portray a type of conflict but here's some pairs. btw if your doing higher tier, Flag, Falling leaves and Right word will not be named so im only revising Flag from these 3 cuz its good for comparison.

Come on, Come back - ‘Out of the Blue’ – an imagined voice, a victim &
‘Bayonet Charge’ – the soldier’s experience

Next to of course god America i - ‘Bayonet Charge’ – patriotism in theory and practice &
‘Flag’ – patriotism, symbols and causes of conflict

Hawk Roosting - ‘Hawk Roosting’ is very different from other poems in the cluster, which generally are upset by conflict and seek to question it, whereas ‘Hawk Roosting’ perhaps tries to explain it. Consider what other poems say about human nature in comparison with ‘Hawk Roosting’.

Mametz Wood - ‘Poppies’ – contemporary poem, mourning loss & ‘Futility’ and ‘The Falling Leaves’ – World War 1, death and loss

The Charge of the Light Brigade - ‘Bayonet Charge’ – account of battle and experience of the battlefield & ‘Futility’ – death in battle: noble or futile? & ‘Come On, Come Back’ – contrasting tone in the aftermath of battle

At the Border, 1979 - ‘next to of course god america i’ – reflection on belonging and national identity

Out of the Blue - ‘Bayonet Charge’ – 1st person, dramatic monologue and experience of conflict & ‘Belfast Confetti’ – 1st person and civilian victim of terrorism

The Yellow Palm - ‘Belfast Confetti’ – city/civilians under attack & ‘Come On, Come Back’ – sadness and loss of innocence & ‘At the Border, 1979’ – civilians and Iraq

Flag (not named but good comparison) - ‘At the Border, 1979’ – causes of conflict &
‘next to of course god america i’ – concepts of patriotism

Belfast Confetti - ‘Out of the Blue’ – civilian’s experience, impact of conflict / terrorism &
‘The Yellow Palm’ – impact of conflict on city and its people

Bayonet Charge - ‘The Charge of the Light Brigade’ – experience of conflict/battle &
‘Come On Come Back’ – consequences of battle & ‘next to of course god america i’ – patriotism

Poppies - ‘Futility’ – death and the loss of a carefully nurtured life

Futility - ‘Mametz Wood’ – WW1, soldiers and death & ‘Poppies’ – mourning and loss

Bit confusing and its kind of late, but hope it helped

Thanks a lot!!!

[68242]

Don't know about you but I thought it went really well! I compared Neighbours and Below the Green Corrie and found loads to say, not sure if it was any good but I didn't run out of points

[Iamtidal]

I did the conflict poems and compared Mametz Wood and Belfast Confetti, I thought it went well, especially the unseen poem that was to do with conflict aswell!