[Classical Liberal]

(Original post by venenecinema)
You're probably right there, and in no way do I put all of my faith in a GP under this government, I just find it highly unlikely that they would get advice pertaining to diets wrong.

Yes they do. The advice from the government is influenced by lobbyists, a great case being the diary industry. The government recommends 3 servings of diary a day (I remember reading that somewhere but can't find the source quickly). This is too much diary, you simply do not need that much calcium. And the diary will be putting wierd hormones in you (as the milk comes from cows that are drugged up), probably give you too much fat and an insulin shock. And it will very likely give you acne.

Seem a bit silly?

Can you remember the "Got Milk" campaign? Do you think that was an innocent campaign to help kids? Or a campaign financed by the diary industry to boost sales?

[Classical Liberal]

(Original post by SunderX)
Because one anecdotal sample is clearly good science?

No. But there is a lot of evidence that suggests that one of the primary causes of acne (beyond puberty) is diet.

Acne is really caused by anything that puts your horomones out of whack. So stress is another one, however if you have stress induced acne it should go away and come back intermittently (as stress levels tend to vary a lot). If it is your diet, you will just perpetually seem to have acne.

[venenecinema]

(Original post by Classical Liberal)
Yes they do. The advice from the government is influenced by lobbyists, a great case being the diary industry. The government recommends 3 servings of diary a day (I remember reading that somewhere but can't find the source quickly). This is too much diary, you simply do not need that much calcium. And the diary will be putting wierd hormones in you (as the milk comes from cows that are drugged up), probably give you too much fat and an insulin shock. And it will very likely give you acne.

Seem a bit silly?

Can you remember the "Got Milk" campaign? Do you think that was an innocent campaign to help kids? Or a campaign financed by the diary industry to boost sales?

Yes but that was relating to a very specific product, they don't mention any products here they just talk about diets in general, so surely it isn't caused by lobbying? Who would be paying them off?

[venenecinema]

(Original post by Classical Liberal)
No. But there is a lot of evidence that suggests that one of the primary causes of acne (beyond puberty) is diet.

Acne is really anything that puts your horomones out of whack. So stress is another one.

I actually posted something which could at least possibly be construed as evidence, so far you have simply provided conjecture. And unless you have studied medicine, that's what it is. Conjecture.

[manchesterunited15]

Just stop putting anything on it. I used to use loads of acne creams and gels but when I stopped, and just washed it once a day with water and soap, it went and my skin is fine now.

[Classical Liberal]

(Original post by venenecinema)
Yes but that was relating to a very specific product, they don't mention any products here they just talk about diets in general, so surely it isn't caused by lobbying? Who would be paying them off?

Sorry I am confused.

[venenecinema]

(Original post by Classical Liberal)
Sorry I am confused.

Apologies, I was saying that your example of the "got milk?" campaign doesn't really relate to this situation or the part of my comment that you put in bold, because the NHS website only refers to food in general and not a specific product.
And how do you know that milk causes acne?

[Classical Liberal]

(Original post by venenecinema)
Apologies, I was saying that your example of the "got milk?" campaign doesn't really relate to this situation or the part of my comment that you put in bold

ohh yeah, my point is that there are forces at work trying to influence peoples diets masquerading as being a health concern campaign. It is the classic example of do gooders promoting something on the one hands and special interest groups backing them.

And how do you know that milk causes acne?

My personal experience firstly. And the evidence from studies. And the logic of how milk is produced and is digested.

http://www.naturalnews.com/024613_milk_acne_blood.html - This link refers to genuine studies and the like.

[stroppyninja]

(Original post by Classical Liberal)
ohh yeah, my point is that there are forces at work trying to influence peoples diets masquerading as being a health concern campaign. It is the classic example of do gooders promoting something on the one hands and special interest groups backing them.



My personal experience firstly. And the evidence from studies. And the logic of how milk is produced and is digested.

http://www.naturalnews.com/024613_milk_acne_blood.html - This link refers to genuine studies and the like.

As a medical student with an interest in dermatology, i actually cared enough to go and read a few articles in reputable journals about the acne - diet link. While there is a surprising lack of evidence either way, if there is a causative correlation between the two, it is an incredibly weak one.
I'd like to write a longer post to justify the whys and wherefores, but i need to go and buy some food. I'll save you the effort of reading up on the topic; the punchline is 'you're wrong'.

p.s. Regarding your argument about how GPs have an incentive to prescribe drugs as opposed to making the patient change their diet is also incorrect - In a cash strapped NHS, they would love to be able to cut down on their prescription costs, and make you pay for a better diet.

[Mr.mAddd]

(Original post by AliceElizabeth19)
Hello hello,
I was just wondering if anyone has any advice on acne treatments? I've had my acne since I was 10 years old and I'm 20 now, I'm fed up with the damn stuff on my face XD

So far I have tried:
Duac + tetralysal (only got this combination a week ago)
Erythromycin tablets + solution
Dianette
Microgynon
Panoxyl aquagel (benzoyl peroxide 10%)

I must say this before anyone mentions it, I do have a healthy diet. I drink at least 9 glasses of water a day, eat healthy foods and I make sure I have a very low intake of any sugars, oil and 'fatty' foods which I've been doing for the last 8 years of my life -.-

I just want to know if anyone has any suggestions that would help ease my acne?
I'm going to see if I can see a dermatologist when I go to university in September if it doesn't improve within these next 4 months but I just want a day where I can just look at my face without thinking how ugly it is with the amount of crap on my face XD

Counting the number of 'glasses' is not a good way of measuring water intake. Aim to consume 3 litres a day

[Alice36]

(Original post by AliceElizabeth19)
Hello hello,
I was just wondering if anyone has any advice on acne treatments? I've had my acne since I was 10 years old and I'm 20 now, I'm fed up with the damn stuff on my face XD

So far I have tried:
Duac + tetralysal (only got this combination a week ago)
Erythromycin tablets + solution
Dianette
Microgynon
Panoxyl aquagel (benzoyl peroxide 10%)

I must say this before anyone mentions it, I do have a healthy diet. I drink at least 9 glasses of water a day, eat healthy foods and I make sure I have a very low intake of any sugars, oil and 'fatty' foods which I've been doing for the last 8 years of my life -.-

I just want to know if anyone has any suggestions that would help ease my acne?
I'm going to see if I can see a dermatologist when I go to university in September if it doesn't improve within these next 4 months but I just want a day where I can just look at my face without thinking how ugly it is with the amount of crap on my face XD

I tried Duac and tetralysal and dianette and they didnt work. I dont have really bad skin but I started using the clinique 3 step skin care and even thought its not perfect its alot better thaan before. Theres also a laser treatment, aesthere ppx, which I've heard is amazing for bad skin.

[Classical Liberal]

(Original post by stroppyninja)
As a medical student with an interest in dermatology, i actually cared enough to go and read a few articles in reputable journals about the acne - diet link. While there is a surprising lack of evidence either way, if there is a causative correlation between the two, it is an incredibly weak one.
I'd like to write a longer post to justify the whys and wherefores, but i need to go and buy some food. I'll save you the effort of reading up on the topic; the punchline is 'you're wrong'.

So you are seriously going to tell me what you consume has no effect on your skin?

p.s. Regarding your argument about how GPs have an incentive to prescribe drugs as opposed to making the patient change their diet is also incorrect - In a cash strapped NHS, they would love to be able to cut down on their prescription costs, and make you pay for a better diet.

Nonsense. Observe.

[venenecinema]

(Original post by Classical Liberal)
So you are seriously going to tell me what you consume has no effect on your skin?




Nonsense. Observe.

He is looking at it from an incredibly cynical point of view.

[Gawjuz.x]

Try products produced from the Neem plant. That helps a lot. I suffer from acne too, for about 8 years, and nothing has helped it apart from Neem soap. I also drink a glass of orange juice every morning which tends to help somehow!
Make sure you don't TOUCH them, the more you touch them the more it spreads.

Instead of resorting to chemical products, I would say natural products do a better job.

I later found out my acne was due to the heat (i.e. heat spots) and also sugar (mainly those sugar-boiled sweets which I LOVE - especially during exam time!)

[Classical Liberal]

(Original post by venenecinema)
He is looking at it from an incredibly cynical sensible point of view.

fixed

[Dwayne Hicks]

(Original post by Classical Liberal)
Yes they do. The advice from the government is influenced by lobbyists, a great case being the diary industry. The government recommends 3 servings of diary a day (I remember reading that somewhere but can't find the source quickly). This is too much diary, you simply do not need that much calcium. And the diary will be putting wierd hormones in you (as the milk comes from cows that are drugged up), probably give you too much fat and an insulin shock. And it will very likely give you acne.

Seem a bit silly?

Can you remember the "Got Milk" campaign? Do you think that was an innocent campaign to help kids? Or a campaign financed by the diary industry to boost sales?

Those bloody diary makers-of course it makes sense now. Those who have access to all of our secrets will control all!

But on a different note I think that a balanced diet and a goodnights sleep are important for your skin (and overall wellbeing) but some people will just get acne no matter what they do-such as myself.

[Venomilys]

(Original post by Classical Liberal)
What do you think drives your hormonal imbalances outside of puberty?

The tooth fairy?

Taking the pills (specifically antibiotics) do not cure "acne". What they do is reduce the symptoms of acne but fundamentally your hormones are still out of whack and you are still producing too much oil. And in addition the antibiotics indiscriminately kill bacteria inside you, which includes "good" bacteria that prevent some of you acne, thus when you come off the antibiotics you can be even more prone to acne.

Putting chemicals on your face, again does not cure acne, it just reduces the symptoms. However the products have the side effect of ****ing up your skin, which can cause acne and redness, and they also age you really quickly.

I have to agree with you. One day I chose to absolutely stuff my body with carbs, the next evening my face was dripping with oil, as if you've dabbed olive oil all over it. It was the most oily it has ever been. That to me was evidence enough that food does affect (my) acne.

[Kimbimbi]

(Original post by cesca42)
Going on the pill helps with the hormonal stuff.

If you're really desperate then go and see a dermatologist and ask to be put on roaccutane, but it's a pretty strong drug :/

For me, my dermatologist gave me isotrexin gel which is a bit like topical roaccutane. Paired with duac and Clinique anti-blemish my skin finally seems to be clearing up !

Also, try taking vitamin c and zinc supplements, they help healthy skin too.

Best of luck with your skin, I know how you feel.

I know you said it was a strong drug but please don't recommend roaccutane to people when you don't know their previous history of depression etc. It is one of the most dangerous drugs available.

Back on topic, I use duac and although I still get a few spots it does help. Just make sure not to get it on textiles though as it bleaches almost anything.

[cesca42]

(Original post by Kimbimbi)
I know you said it was a strong drug but please don't recommend roaccutane to people when you don't know their previous history of depression etc. It is one of the most dangerous drugs available.

Back on topic, I use duac and although I still get a few spots it does help. Just make sure not to get it on textiles though as it bleaches almost anything.

I know, but since it needs to be prescribed it's unlikely that, if OP did happen to have a history of depression, their doctor would prescribe it.

[TooEasy123]

(Original post by venenecinema)
Taken directly from the NHS website:

Acne myths

Despite being one of the most widespread skin conditions, acne is also one of the most poorly understood. There are many myths and misconceptions about it, including:
"Acne is caused by a poor diet." There is no evidence that diet plays a role in acne. Eating a healthy, balanced diet is recommended because it is good for your heart and your health in general. However, it will not help your acne.

Please get your facts right before being sarky.

What they mean is there is lack of research in that area. I can say from a whole year of experimenting with my diet that it was definitely diet for me.

Obviously for some people it might not be diet related, but it definitely can be.

If I eat huge amounts of carbs (especially processed kinds), my skin literally is 10x more oily immediately (like what someone said above). My skin becomes sensitive and I get pimples even if I sit there and don't touch my skin at all. Within a few hours, I feel sore areas and inflammation forming on my skin. It's no coincidence.

I've been eating healthily for over a year now and my acne cleared up pretty much within the first month of eating good. If I eat crap now, my body will be okay with it, because I've let things heal inside. However if I ate crap after that first month, oh boy I'd have been back to square one.

Hormones cause acne. Diet affects hormones => Diet affects acne. Again, not the case for EVERYONE.