[ct2k7]

A hijab is worn for modesty reasons, and is somewhat recommended for compliancy, however, there are many other ways of covering yourself.

That said, I think you should tell your parents that you are not ready YET to wear it. Wearing it does take some time getting used to, and if you feel that it is not the right time for you, then it is not the right time for you.

[Frequency]

(Original post by janeyjaney)
Frequency

In another thread you recently stated that you are in the Sixth Form. I am confused how old are you????

....copy and paste of post.....dated 06-03-2012: 6th March 2012 20:02

"Pointless Headmistress"
"Okay, so my school used to have a headteacher, and he has now retired and has been replaced with a new headmistress. We thought no one could be as good as our old headteacher was, and believe me, the new headmistress is the worse head of a school you could ever have.

She's been the head of our school since September, and has been ever since. Suddenly, and I mean suddenly, she's decided to change the school uniform. Our original uniform is a light blue polo shirt, black trousers/skirt, black jumper/cardigan, and black shoes.
The headmistress wants to change it to black blazers with a cartoon version of our original logo, black trousers, white shirt, black shoes, and a dark blue tie with a logo that one of the sixth former's will design.
Now, the fact that she's changing the uniform is fine, but what's not fine is that the school budget is on it's edge, and this is because: the headmistress bought daffodils which the students have already started destroying; a new shelter over benches that no one uses; canteen glass covers; milkshake machines (we're supposed to be a healthy school); rebuilding the library (adding iPads, iMacs, and new laptops); and now new uniform.

She's realized she's been messing with the school budget, so she's decided to hand out redundancy forms to teachers of disability classes, and getting new Tudors for them.

This all seems pointless to me - and to most people in my school. Everyone knows what she's doing will probably get her bankrupted, but no one has spoke up to tell her that.

Question is, can my school use all this against her and how?
I don't think any other school has experienced something like this.


I'm editing this part for what else she's done that I've missed out.
Every year group (not including the sixth form; in this case, me) goes to a theme park once in a year. For example, when I was in year 9 I went to a theme park, as I did in year 10. But the new head cancelled all school trips to theme parks telling us that it 'makes our school look silly'. I don't know what she's implying, but the new year 7s don't like it.
Hence, the trips she hasn't cancelled are the one's to museums and history trips. Now, this doesn't really affect me, but as part of the pupil voice I don't think this is making our school happy.
The headmistress came from a school in England, so I think she's trying to make us posh."

No, my sister uses my TSR account as well, she posted that

[Janaa]

(Original post by Frequency)
So basically, I'm a Muslim girl and I'm in year 7. I've been wearing a hijab on my head to school since September, and now it's May. I decided by myself that I'd stop wearing it for reasons like; it's really hot now; it was never my choice to wear one, but I was just quiet about it toward my parents*; I was late for an exam the other day because I was still changing after PE (my parents weren't happy about that); I was in Science working with a bunson burner when my hijab almost caught on fire until my friend pushed me out of the way; I just genuinely don't like wearing one.
My older brother came home from uni and asked me why I wear it, and my reply was literally, "I don't know."
He said: "It's your choice, y'know."

*I thought it was compulsory to wear one in my religion, but isn't it supposed to be my choice whether to wear one or not?

At the start of year 7 my mum said to me, "You're wearing a hijab in year 7, okay?"
Me, "Okay."
My parents are a bit strict if I say so myself, but that's irrelevant at the moment.
Three days ago I went to school without a hijab, I didn't discuss anything with my parents which I now regret. Whilst I was in school everyone complimented me about how better I looked, which seemed to encourage me...
I came home from school that day and my mum was sleeping. She woke up about 2 hours later and knew that I didn't wear my hijab to school. When my dad got home from work my mum told him and he asked me why. Our conversation was a little like this:
Dad: "Why didn't you wear it?"
Me: "I just don't wanna wear one anymore."
I tried to keep my voice firm but he just got angrier. He shouted at me and I started crying because he was so mad. He then shouted at my older brother for telling me it's my choice. I came in then and said, "It's not his fault,"
But my dad interrupted me and told me to shut up and get out.
My mum spoke to me and said once I take it off, I'll never get it back on. She said I'll forget my religion, but I know I won't. They assumed I would. My dad was still angry at me and my brother, so I went up to my room.
I was so upset, I dialed childline and really wanted to tell them what happened. The lady on the phone said hi and asked if I wanted to talk to a Councillor tonight, and I cried on the phone and put it down.
I know it's not a big deal, maybe I'm just sensitive.
My parents went out then, and came back and called my name. I went downstairs and my dad hugged me and said I don't have to wear one if I don't want to, then told me to stay downstairs, but I went back to my room. About 10 minutes later they called my brother down. I heard them talking downstairs and I went and stood by the door and listened. They were talking to my brother and were telling him he should think before he gave advice to me, because I'm just a "kid." My brother said, "But it's her choice." They said no it's not and explained that I can't just take it off and put it on whenever I like.
BUT, the thing is, I wear one to school AND NOWHERE ELSE. I tried to explain that to my mum but she just sighed and shook her head.

The next day my mum came in and woke me up for school like always, only this time she didn't touch me, she hardly stepped foot in my room. Usually she comes in and pulls the blanket off me. I tried to ignore that she hardly spoke to me and got up to change into my uniform for school. When I got downstairs for breakfast my mum was sleeping, but she usually drops me off to school, so she shouldn't have been sleeping... I asked her and she said I'm walking today.
My dad came downstairs and was putting his shoes on, he said: "You look different without your hijab. You look weird."
I ignored him.

The next day I walked to school again because mum wanted me to, only this time she wasn't sleeping.
And now it's the third day without wearing a hijab, and I have no idea what to do.
Maybe my parents will stop being discouraging?
Maybe it'll wear-off?
Please help...

Put your ****ing hijab on or you'll burn in hell! How dare you disrespect your parents like that.
If I was your parent you would get a good smack and I'd force you to wear it abd if you didn't out on the street you go where you belong you filth

[cooldudeman]

(Original post by Riz10)
You say you're muslim> then follow the islamic way of life, its for your own benefit. but at the end of the day its upto you, but if you say you are muslim then you
should wear a hijab regardless of the circumstances!

omg, dude you're hated on this site, 177negs!

[Frequency]

The hijab doesn't make you a good person; which is what someone said at the beginning of this thread. I know I shouldn't have posted the thread on here, because of what everyone said. It seemed to make things worse. Some said it's my choice, other's said it's compulsory. Where in the Quran does it say it's compulsory? It says woman have to dress modestly, which in my case, I think I do.
And yes, my parents haven't really taught me much about Islam, and for a while I rebelled against it. I thought being a Muslim sucked (which now I obviously regret thinking) but I went to Mosque and one of my closest friends goes to an Islamic school. I realized how interesting Islam can be, even negative things; punishments and whatnot.
What I've also realized is that I don't need anyone's help on how to live my life. Most Muslim's on here get really offended, lol. But I guess I should focus on my school work first and when I'm older I can learn more about Islam, maybe even take RS in GCSEs. :P
But what I mean is, everything will happen all in good time, I know it will.
I even know some people will quote this post negatively but I honestly don't care.

[Frequency]

(Original post by Janaa)
Put your ****ing hijab on or you'll burn in hell! How dare you disrespect your parents like that.
If I was your parent you would get a good smack and I'd force you to wear it abd if you didn't out on the street you go where you belong you filth

Yeah... I'd phone childline for that one.

[Scienceisgood]

Sounds more like a safety hazard than anything...

EDIT:
Is a free country, do what you want. As long as it doesn't hurt anyone, I wouldn't. It is hardly going to do anything and your parents only want you to do this because it is part of THEIR culture, not yours.

[planetearth]

(Original post by Iqbal007)
Are you a scholar? Have you been taught under the proper religious schools for decades? Do you have a valid opinion which is accepted ?

You don't, therefore I wouldn't trust what your saying, hijab is within modesty.

You don't have to be a scholar to know basic rules of a religion.

If we cannot read our own religious book that is in our view sent by God by ourselves and have to rely on what other men tell us then it is a sad state of affairs.

The rules of Islam are set out by the Qur'an, not by scholars. I find it disheartening that so many Muslims believe otherwise. We need more independence in our religion.

[Iqbal007]

(Original post by planetearth)
You don't have to be a scholar to know basic rules of a religion.

If we cannot read our own religious book that is in our view sent by God by ourselves and have to rely on what other men tell us then it is a sad state of affairs.

The rules of Islam are set out by the Qur'an, not by scholars. I find it disheartening that so many Muslims believe otherwise. We need more independence in our religion.

Basic rules are easy, but when things far more complicated we can't just use our interpretations we have to go to the proper scholars, because otherwise we get people interpreting themselves which leads to people having certain views so that they can follow their nuffs instead of Allah.

Nor have I said, we can read the Qu'ran, but when it comes to certain matters we are no where near knowledgeable enough to make such decisions.

Scholars don't set the rules, some things are harder to understand hence why we need Scholars, plus the hadiths as well. Such as the rulings of tv, etc.

[Riz10]

(Original post by brunettegirl92)

actually, the hijab isn't islamic; its cultural. however it may be linked to traditional religion.

I'll give you an example from what I know.

I am christian. some circles of christianity condemn sex before marriage in order to remain pure. But there is nothing that says this explicitly in the bible. it is a CULTURAL interpretation of a text, but not actually stated in the text.

It is possible to be a muslim without following asian culture with regards to clothing.

please hijab is not cultural! it is part of islam, so get your facts right...
you say your christian, do you cover your hair?
the bible says in the book of corinthians that women
should cover their hair or otherwise shave their hair off...now if
that is not more strict than islam, then i dont know what planet your on.!

[Frequency]

(Original post by Riz10)
please hijab is not cultural! it is part of islam, so get your facts right...
you say your christian, do you cover your hair?
the bible says in the book of corinthians that women
should cover their hair or otherwise shave their hair off...now if
that is not more strict than islam, then i dont know what planet your on.!

Don't get too offended, please
She may be right

[Just Another Girly]

Yeah you emotionally being forced but hey you’ll get used to it I used to be a muslim then I decided to become an atheist (this was a few months ago) so my parents decided to force islam down my throat but now I think they have started to give up its not ideal but life isn’t ideal my folks go when im 18 they are kicking me out
Pm me if you wanna chat
ps- i have never worn a scarf never will never have

[Riz10]

(Original post by Frequency)
Don't get too offended, please
She may be right

whos getting offended? just statin the facts.

[Frequency]

(Original post by Riz10)
whos getting offended? just statin the facts.

Have you fully read the Bible?

[Riz10]

(Original post by Frequency)
Have you fully read the Bible?

whats the point to your question?

[Iqbal007]

(Original post by Frequency)
Don't get too offended, please
She may be right

Listen..........all the scholars and people from the past have concluded when Islam asks for modesty it includes the headscarf.
It's a parents duty to encourage you, but forcing you to wear a hijab is not right, it makes the hijab meaningless.
You might not be ready now, but you should look into carefully and when you do want to wear it, you do it sincerely and with the right intentions and not cos your parents forced you to do so. If you got any issues go to the ISOC thread, I remember other sisters on their having issues occasionally, they'll understand your situation

[brunettegirl92]

(Original post by Riz10)
please hijab is not cultural! it is part of islam, so get your facts right...
you say your christian, do you cover your hair?
the bible says in the book of corinthians that women
should cover their hair or otherwise shave their hair off...now if
that is not more strict than islam, then i dont know what planet your on.!

Please point out where i said the bible wasn't as strict as the quran... oh..wait...you can't.
I simply take my book with a pinch of salt. as do many christians.
more christians do that than muslims, but some muslims do it.
There are christians who cover their heads and are strict, but it isn't something my religion is reknowned for. however, we do get evangelicals and some even stricter american churches.
when i say cultural interpretation, there are two cultures -past and present.
The present culture that interprets now, or the past culture that interpreted then and put it in the book.
when i study my bible, there are parts i ignore because i don't see the point in them - the 'rules' e.g. me covering my head, will not make me a better christian or make me serve god any better. it will just be a bit of cloth covering my head.
I also note that there may have been cultural regulations that were recorded in the book. their culture, not mine.
relevations also says women shouldn't talk in church. i go to church, and i speak a lot in my bible study. the culture 2000 years ago was that women kept quiet, it was not religious, but it still found its way into a religious book.
maybe there are similar things like that in the quran.
infact, i'm certain there are. now i know some people take thier holy books very literally, so i've tried to express my point mildly, sensitively, and respectfully to their personal religious belief but if people are going to be rude to me about mine, i won't pussy-foot around it.

also, the bit when you wrote do i cover my hair, and wrote about the passage in the bible kind of looked as if you were questioning if I was really a christian. were you?
becaue we can debate over interpretations, religious/ cultural, but one thing you DO NOT do is question my faith.

[brunettegirl92]

(Original post by zedeneye1)
There are three main texts on which Islam is based, The Quran and the Sahih Hadith (Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim). You can get a translation for the nearest mosque and study for yourself.....

Thanks you, for not being completely ignorant like many people are in the west...

one of the things i study is anthropology (my degree is very mixed) if i was ignorant towards other cultures, i'd be pretty crap at it.
plus i don't see islam to be much different to christianity - the god it the same, and i consider it very possible that mohammed existed as a prophet or wiseman although he wouldn't appear in the bible due to being in different era.

[zedeneye1]

(Original post by brunettegirl92)
one of the things i study is anthropology (my degree is very mixed) if i was ignorant towards other cultures, i'd be pretty crap at it.
plus i don't see islam to be much different to christianity - the god it the same, and i consider it very possible that mohammed existed as a prophet or wiseman although he wouldn't appear in the bible due to being in different era.

Christianity has concept of trinity. Islam doesnt.

[Anonymous]

Im tired of religion instructing people ( especially women ) on how to lead their life. You are your own person and do what you want to do. They are your family and ultimately they will stand by you when you need support the most. My friend started to wear a headscarf but stopped because she didn't see the point and that was her own choice. She said that her family were trying to make her wear it again but she refused and she just said that she knows her own mind and therefore will believe in what she thinks is right. Religion can be very powerful in the mind of a believer.