[zedeneye1]

(Original post by Tullia)
Apparently Muslim girls do get killed by their parents.

did i say they dont?

i just said that if they try killig u, thats when u have a serious problem that needs to be reported and should get out of the family....
I dont know wat you thought i was saying...but i think i have clarified everything now...

[Frequency]

(Original post by brunettegirl92)

actually, the hijab isn't islamic; its cultural. however it may be linked to traditional religion.

I'll give you an example from what I know.

I am christian. some circles of christianity condemn sex before marriage in order to remain pure. But there is nothing that says this explicitly in the bible. it is a CULTURAL interpretation of a text, but not actually stated in the text.

It is possible to be a muslim without following asian culture with regards to clothing.

My parents really need to explain this to me, not my 22 year old brother.

[Issy123]

(Original post by brunettegirl92)

actually, the hijab isn't islamic; its cultural. however it may be linked to traditional religion.

I'll give you an example from what I know.

I am christian. some circles of christianity condemn sex before marriage in order to remain pure. But there is nothing that says this explicitly in the bible. it is a CULTURAL interpretation of a text, but not actually stated in the text.

It is possible to be a muslim without following asian culture with regards to clothing.

The hijab is well and truly Islamic. There is a lot of evidence supporting this

[zedeneye1]

(Original post by brunettegirl92)

actually, the hijab isn't islamic; its cultural. however it may be linked to traditional religion.

I'll give you an example from what I know.

I am christian. some circles of christianity condemn sex before marriage in order to remain pure. But there is nothing that says this explicitly in the bible. it is a CULTURAL interpretation of a text, but not actually stated in the text.

It is possible to be a muslim without following asian culture with regards to clothing.

wrong info....except maybe the christian part, i dont know about that...

but in Islam, you dont wear clothes where the curves of the body are revealed or where skin is revealed (and im talking about skin other than face, hands, feet etc...).

[Patrik]

(Original post by Steevee)
I agree with you to an extent, but Islam is rather clear on this issue.

What is your point? People pick and choose what they like in accordance with what they believe to be right, unless it is blind faith. I don't know that much about Islam specifically so I shall refer to Christianity as an example.

'Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.'

Some ignore it and believe homosexuality is fine, some ignore other parts but see this and believe homosexuality to be indicated as being wrong.

Correct me if I am wrong, but does the Quran not somehow say that one can go to war (jihad), yet many Muslims ignore such an extreme interpretation.

Surely it is the same thing?

[Issy123]

You might want to watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXVVQroJbD0

just a suggestion

[zedeneye1]

(Original post by Frequency)
My parents really need to explain this to me, not my 22 year old brother.

I've already given you very good advice...its something difficult to do, but thats why doing the right thing isnt easy...

Just go to your parents, tell them you love them and then discuss the problem...try to be mature. And close this thread, it makes little sense.

[Left Hand Drive]

Tell them you'll raise them a burka if they allow you not to wear the hijab during summer

[Steevee]

(Original post by Patrik)
What is your point? People pick and choose what they like in accordance with what they believe to be right, unless it is blind faith. I don't know that much about Islam specifically so I shall refer to Christianity as an example.

'Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.'

Some ignore it and believe homosexuality is fine, some ignore other parts but see this and believe homosexuality to be indicated as being wrong.

Correct me if I am wrong, but does the Quran not somehow say that one can go to war (jihad), yet many Muslims ignore such an extreme interpretation.

Surely it is the same thing?

Ahh, but Islam a fundamentalist religion, Christianity, is for the large part, a liberal religion. Well, certainly the Protestant churches.

Islam and Muslims take glory from the fact that they are stoiclly unchanging, which is one of the reasons they find themselves in conflict with the rest of the world so much as regards social values and such like. I am assuming that the OP is from a Sunni or Shia family, both of which fully state that the Hijab is required.

[ThatPerson]

(Original post by Frequency)
So basically, I'm a Muslim girl and I'm in year 7. I've been wearing a hijab on my head to school since September, and now it's May. I decided by myself that I'd stop wearing it for reasons like; it's really hot now; it was never my choice to wear one, but I was just quiet about it toward my parents*; I was late for an exam the other day because I was still changing after PE (my parents weren't happy about that); I was in Science working with a bunson burner when my hijab almost caught on fire until my friend pushed me out of the way; I just genuinely don't like wearing one.
My older brother came home from uni and asked me why I wear it, and my reply was literally, "I don't know."
He said: "It's your choice, y'know."

*I thought it was compulsory to wear one in my religion, but isn't it supposed to be my choice whether to wear one or not?

At the start of year 7 my mum said to me, "You're wearing a hijab in year 7, okay?"
Me, "Okay."
My parents are a bit strict if I say so myself, but that's irrelevant at the moment.
Three days ago I went to school without a hijab, I didn't discuss anything with my parents which I now regret. Whilst I was in school everyone complimented me about how better I looked, which seemed to encourage me...
I came home from school that day and my mum was sleeping. She woke up about 2 hours later and knew that I didn't wear my hijab to school. When my dad got home from work my mum told him and he asked me why. Our conversation was a little like this:
Dad: "Why didn't you wear it?"
Me: "I just don't wanna wear one anymore."
I tried to keep my voice firm but he just got angrier. He shouted at me and I started crying because he was so mad. He then shouted at my older brother for telling me it's my choice. I came in then and said, "It's not his fault,"
But my dad interrupted me and told me to shut up and get out.
My mum spoke to me and said once I take it off, I'll never get it back on. She said I'll forget my religion, but I know I won't. They assumed I would. My dad was still angry at me and my brother, so I went up to my room.
I was so upset, I dialed childline and really wanted to tell them what happened. The lady on the phone said hi and asked if I wanted to talk to a Councillor tonight, and I cried on the phone and put it down.
I know it's not a big deal, maybe I'm just sensitive.
My parents went out then, and came back and called my name. I went downstairs and my dad hugged me and said I don't have to wear one if I don't want to, then told me to stay downstairs, but I went back to my room. About 10 minutes later they called my brother down. I heard them talking downstairs and I went and stood by the door and listened. They were talking to my brother and were telling him he should think before he gave advice to me, because I'm just a "kid." My brother said, "But it's her choice." They said no it's not and explained that I can't just take it off and put it on whenever I like.
BUT, the thing is, I wear one to school AND NOWHERE ELSE. I tried to explain that to my mum but she just sighed and shook her head.

The next day my mum came in and woke me up for school like always, only this time she didn't touch me, she hardly stepped foot in my room. Usually she comes in and pulls the blanket off me. I tried to ignore that she hardly spoke to me and got up to change into my uniform for school. When I got downstairs for breakfast my mum was sleeping, but she usually drops me off to school, so she shouldn't have been sleeping... I asked her and she said I'm walking today.
My dad came downstairs and was putting his shoes on, he said: "You look different without your hijab. You look weird."
I ignored him.

The next day I walked to school again because mum wanted me to, only this time she wasn't sleeping.
And now it's the third day without wearing a hijab, and I have no idea what to do.
Maybe my parents will stop being discouraging?
Maybe it'll wear-off?
Please help...

Your older brother seems to be speaking the most sense. It is your choice, not your parents. If you don't want to wear it then they shouldn't force you to wear it. Modern Religions are hundreds of years old, and I am of the opinion that not everything in them should still apply today, otherwise we'd still be learning that the earth was flat and that the sun orbits the earth.

[Steevee]

(Original post by Samrout)
you're a well spoken racist with little in the way of intelligence. Falsehoods, generalisations, and accusations, I don't know if you're stupid or arrogant, most likely both. You've got a hitlerlike obsession with Islam and muslims, you seem to enjoy telling them that their religion is wrong, but when you look deep down, you're just accepting a flimsy lie as personal conviction and morale, which is reflected in your character. Muslims are people like you and I, they have conscience, they know good and bad, and you should learn to live with them side by side.

I'm a racist am I? News to me, care to provide evidence of such? If not, withdraw the accusation or I'll report you

Hitler like obsession? No my dear, I have a healthy interest in the blights of the world. I am no more interested in Muslims and Islam than I am domestic politics, Airsoft, the ACF, video games or any of my other hobbies.

What seems to be the problem here is that you don;t like me talking about your religion in a less than rosy light. If such things make your blood boil quite so badly, might I suggest you stick to Islamic forums? I know how freedom of speech can offend some of you religious types

[Frequency]

(Original post by Steevee)
I'm a racist am I? News to me, care to provide evidence of such? If not, withdraw the accusation or I'll report you

Hitler like obsession? No my dear, I have a healthy interest in the blights of the world. I am no more interested in Muslims and Islam than I am domestic politics, Airsoft, the ACF, video games or any of my other hobbies.

What seems to be the problem here is that you don;t like me talking about your religion in a less than rosy light. If such things make your blood boil quite so badly, might I suggest you stick to Islamic forums? I know how freedom of speech can offend some of you religious types

You seem like you've had experience with other Muslim's too, and I'm sure they hate the way you speak about their religion as much as I do.

[A Cat]

(Original post by Steevee)
I'm a racist am I? News to me, care to provide evidence of such? If not, withdraw the accusation or I'll report you

Hitler like obsession? No my dear, I have a healthy interest in the blights of the world. I am no more interested in Muslims and Islam than I am domestic politics, Airsoft, the ACF, video games or any of my other hobbies.

What seems to be the problem here is that you don;t like me talking about your religion in a less than rosy light. If such things make your blood boil quite so badly, might I suggest you stick to Islamic forums? I know how freedom of speech can offend some of you religious types

ha! report me then, for telling the truth. If that's the best you can come up with as payback then you're living in a sad and frail world. I'm not religious, I am a human, and I know myself enough to know you. Keep talking your talk and see how it makes you feel inside. Keep peddling your filth that divides us.

edit: I bet you feel that those green pixels next to your name actually mean something. HA! wake up and become a friend to everybody, or come death you will truly realise you have been alone all of your life.

[Steevee]

(Original post by Frequency)
You seem like you've had experience with other Muslim's too, and I'm sure they hate the way you speak about their religion as much as I do.

Notice how the bit in bold talked about 'some religious types', not all religious people or even Muslims. Don't read into it too much, just read what I write and things will be much easier, and probably less offensive for you. Filling in your own narrative only serves to rile you up I find

(Original post by Samrout)
ha! report me then, for telling the truth. If that's the best you can come up with as payback then you're living in a sad and frail world. I'm not religious, I am a human, and I know myself enough to know you. Keep talking your talk and see how it makes you feel inside. Keep peddling your filth that divides us.

So, that's an admission you can't prove me racist? You called me racist on the back of what? Me not being all 'Woo, go Islam!'

It makes me feel fine thanks Religion, race, oceans, they are the things that divide us. Not intellectually honest discussion

[brunettegirl92]

(Original post by Issy123)
The hijab is well and truly Islamic. There is a lot of evidence supporting this

the idea of hijab may have come from islam, but it isn't necessary to the religion. I have muslim friends, and they do not wear the hijab, and it is not necessary to them to wear it. what i saind comes from what I have been told.

the point is, nothing is ever definitive in religion - there is always, always, interpretation on what is necessary and what is not.

[Norton1]

(Original post by Steevee)
I'm a racist am I? News to me, care to provide evidence of such? If not, withdraw the accusation or I'll report you

Hitler like obsession? No my dear, I have a healthy interest in the blights of the world. I am no more interested in Muslims and Islam than I am domestic politics, Airsoft, the ACF, video games or any of my other hobbies.

What seems to be the problem here is that you don;t like me talking about your religion in a less than rosy light. If such things make your blood boil quite so badly, might I suggest you stick to Islamic forums? I know how freedom of speech can offend some of you religious types

To be entirely honest you do come across a little bit Islamophobic sometimes.

[Frequency]

(Original post by Steevee)
Notice how the bit in bold talked about 'some religious types', not all religious people or even Muslims. Don't read into it too much, just read what I write and things will be much easier, and probably less offensive for you. Filling in your own narrative only serves to rile you up I find



So, that's an admission you can't prove me racist? You called me racist on the back of what? Me not being all 'Woo, go Islam!'

It makes me feel fine thanks Religion, race, oceans, they are the things that divide us. Not intellectually honest discussion

You're really not getting the point of this thread, so stop posting in it.
If you carry on, you obviously have no life...

[brunettegirl92]

(Original post by zedeneye1)
wrong info....except maybe the christian part, i dont know about that...

but in Islam, you dont wear clothes where the curves of the body are revealed or where skin is revealed (and im talking about skin other than face, hands, feet etc...).

might that not be a cultural interpretation of a text?
I have muslim friends who do not wear the hijab - culturally, the friends are more westernized, but they follow islam devoutly. They say the hijab is not necessary to their religion

[TheHansa]

Can't you ask for one made from thinner fabric to keep cool and wrap it like the second women in this picture and tuck so it doesn't dangle? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hi...diningrat_.jpg

[Gallant92]

You say throughout the thread you want to believe in your religion and similar comments.

Why do you want to believe it?

Also why are you a Muslim?


Very similar questions, and if you wish to give the same answer for both that's fine or ofc if you don't want to answer them then that's fine too

Good luck with this episode of your life, and it seems like your parents are more reasonable than a lot of families.