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    (Original post by Steevee)
    Myabe this will help you see how absurd religion can be.

    If you're a Muslim, you are required to wear the Hijab. If you're a rational human, then you know that such obligation is absurd, and I welcome you to take a long hard look at your religion.
    rationality is exclusive to those who aren't muslims aye. Get real you racist. You've been exposed.
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    (Original post by zedeneye1)
    there is muslims drinking, fornicating...

    dont judge islam by muslims, look at the text...look at the original followers of islam.

    There's solid evidence that hijab is a good clothing in Islam, although there are other ways of covering curves of the body. But hijab is the simplest.
    it may be a good clothing, or a recommended one, but for it to be necessary, it would have to say; you must keep your head covered. otherwise there is too much room for interpretations.
    If it is anything like the bible, it would have taken centuries to write. this would have been written by different people with different beliefs at different times. In the bible this is evident from the sheer number of contradictions, because of changing cultures (I take the first testament with a pinch of salt - if the two testaments contradict each other, I take the second testament)
    You must ask yourself how past culture and current culture 1) affected the writing of the book, 2) affected and still affects how it is interpreted.

    remember, the books are followed as much today as they were then, but followed in different ways.

    wow -text is confusing. i'm glad i chose archaeology over history...
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    (Original post by Samrout)
    rationality is exclusive to those who aren't muslims aye. Get real you racist. You've been exposed.
    Adjective: Based on or in accordance with reason or logic: "a rational explanation".

    The belief in an all knowing, all seeing God with a petty moral code and ridiculous scripture is not rational, this is not exclusive to Islam, but to almost all religions.

    Racist:a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others.

    Islam is not a race, it is a choice. By definition Racism is nonsensical because one cannot choose their race. As Islam is a choice, even hate of Muslims could never be called racist, not that I hate Muslims, as I've already stated.
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    In my opinion, it who you are that matters. Who cares if you wear it or not?
    At the end of the day, you're not offending anyone and if it isn't vital to your religon there is not reason why you shouldn't wear it.
    A dress code, doesn't affect your beliefs/morals etc.

    So in terms of what to do, if you wear it to keep your parents happy then your not going to be happy, and you probably won't take it off again and that's not really fair.
    Your parents want things their way, however over time they'll get over it and get used to the idea.
    :-)

    I don't know if that's really helped?
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    (Original post by Frequency)
    So basically, I'm a Muslim girl and I'm in year 7. I've been wearing a hijab on my head to school since September, and now it's May. I decided by myself that I'd stop wearing it for reasons like; it's really hot now; it was never my choice to wear one, but I was just quiet about it toward my parents*; I was late for an exam the other day because I was still changing after PE (my parents weren't happy about that); I was in Science working with a bunson burner when my hijab almost caught on fire until my friend pushed me out of the way; I just genuinely don't like wearing one.
    My older brother came home from uni and asked me why I wear it, and my reply was literally, "I don't know."
    He said: "It's your choice, y'know."

    *I thought it was compulsory to wear one in my religion, but isn't it supposed to be my choice whether to wear one or not?

    At the start of year 7 my mum said to me, "You're wearing a hijab in year 7, okay?"
    Me, "Okay."
    My parents are a bit strict if I say so myself, but that's irrelevant at the moment.
    Three days ago I went to school without a hijab, I didn't discuss anything with my parents which I now regret. Whilst I was in school everyone complimented me about how better I looked, which seemed to encourage me...
    I came home from school that day and my mum was sleeping. She woke up about 2 hours later and knew that I didn't wear my hijab to school. When my dad got home from work my mum told him and he asked me why. Our conversation was a little like this:
    Dad: "Why didn't you wear it?"
    Me: "I just don't wanna wear one anymore."
    I tried to keep my voice firm but he just got angrier. He shouted at me and I started crying because he was so mad. He then shouted at my older brother for telling me it's my choice. I came in then and said, "It's not his fault,"
    But my dad interrupted me and told me to shut up and get out.
    My mum spoke to me and said once I take it off, I'll never get it back on. She said I'll forget my religion, but I know I won't. They assumed I would. My dad was still angry at me and my brother, so I went up to my room.
    I was so upset, I dialed childline and really wanted to tell them what happened. The lady on the phone said hi and asked if I wanted to talk to a Councillor tonight, and I cried on the phone and put it down.
    I know it's not a big deal, maybe I'm just sensitive.
    My parents went out then, and came back and called my name. I went downstairs and my dad hugged me and said I don't have to wear one if I don't want to, then told me to stay downstairs, but I went back to my room. About 10 minutes later they called my brother down. I heard them talking downstairs and I went and stood by the door and listened. They were talking to my brother and were telling him he should think before he gave advice to me, because I'm just a "kid." My brother said, "But it's her choice." They said no it's not and explained that I can't just take it off and put it on whenever I like.
    BUT, the thing is, I wear one to school AND NOWHERE ELSE. I tried to explain that to my mum but she just sighed and shook her head.

    The next day my mum came in and woke me up for school like always, only this time she didn't touch me, she hardly stepped foot in my room. Usually she comes in and pulls the blanket off me. I tried to ignore that she hardly spoke to me and got up to change into my uniform for school. When I got downstairs for breakfast my mum was sleeping, but she usually drops me off to school, so she shouldn't have been sleeping... I asked her and she said I'm walking today.
    My dad came downstairs and was putting his shoes on, he said: "You look different without your hijab. You look weird."
    I ignored him.

    The next day I walked to school again because mum wanted me to, only this time she wasn't sleeping.
    And now it's the third day without wearing a hijab, and I have no idea what to do.
    Maybe my parents will stop being discouraging?
    Maybe it'll wear-off?
    Please help...
    Explain the reasons why you dont want to wear a hijab to them. Im a bit suprised your parents had that harsh reaction as for all they know you could have bullied for wearing and as a year 7 it ishard to resist that temptation to give in to peer pressure. Also with any religion, embracing your religion, may it be going to church, wearing hijab it should be out of choice not out of oppression so if you dont want to wear one, dont i say.
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    Adjective: Based on or in accordance with reason or logic: "a rational explanation".

    The belief in an all knowing, all seeing God with a petty moral code and ridiculous scripture is not rational, this is not exclusive to Islam, but to almost all religions.

    Racist:a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others.

    Islam is not a race, it is a choice. By definition Racism is nonsensical because one cannot choose their race. As Islam is a choice, even hate of Muslims could never be called racist, not that I hate Muslims, as I've already stated.
    How very petty, not having the conviction to properly say what you believe. I hate to say it but it's enjoyable watching you try and dodge yourself. Now admit you said that muslims are not rational, thus putting them below you, a rational person (HAHA!) and admit you are a bigot, because this is not the first time you have made such a derogatory statement, and then I can stop feeding your sick ego with attention.

    With respect to belief in god. You still think that god is a man in the sky don't you. That is where everybody is going wrong.
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    (Original post by Frequency)
    So basically, I'm a Muslim girl and I'm in year 7. I've been wearing a hijab on my head to school since September, and now it's May. I decided by myself that I'd stop wearing it for reasons like; it's really hot now; it was never my choice to wear one, but I was just quiet about it toward my parents*; I was late for an exam the other day because I was still changing after PE (my parents weren't happy about that); I was in Science working with a bunson burner when my hijab almost caught on fire until my friend pushed me out of the way; I just genuinely don't like wearing one.
    My older brother came home from uni and asked me why I wear it, and my reply was literally, "I don't know."
    He said: "It's your choice, y'know."

    *I thought it was compulsory to wear one in my religion, but isn't it supposed to be my choice whether to wear one or not?

    At the start of year 7 my mum said to me, "You're wearing a hijab in year 7, okay?"
    Me, "Okay."
    My parents are a bit strict if I say so myself, but that's irrelevant at the moment.
    Three days ago I went to school without a hijab, I didn't discuss anything with my parents which I now regret. Whilst I was in school everyone complimented me about how better I looked, which seemed to encourage me...
    I came home from school that day and my mum was sleeping. She woke up about 2 hours later and knew that I didn't wear my hijab to school. When my dad got home from work my mum told him and he asked me why. Our conversation was a little like this:
    Dad: "Why didn't you wear it?"
    Me: "I just don't wanna wear one anymore."
    I tried to keep my voice firm but he just got angrier. He shouted at me and I started crying because he was so mad. He then shouted at my older brother for telling me it's my choice. I came in then and said, "It's not his fault,"
    But my dad interrupted me and told me to shut up and get out.
    My mum spoke to me and said once I take it off, I'll never get it back on. She said I'll forget my religion, but I know I won't. They assumed I would. My dad was still angry at me and my brother, so I went up to my room.
    I was so upset, I dialed childline and really wanted to tell them what happened. The lady on the phone said hi and asked if I wanted to talk to a Councillor tonight, and I cried on the phone and put it down.
    I know it's not a big deal, maybe I'm just sensitive.
    My parents went out then, and came back and called my name. I went downstairs and my dad hugged me and said I don't have to wear one if I don't want to, then told me to stay downstairs, but I went back to my room. About 10 minutes later they called my brother down. I heard them talking downstairs and I went and stood by the door and listened. They were talking to my brother and were telling him he should think before he gave advice to me, because I'm just a "kid." My brother said, "But it's her choice." They said no it's not and explained that I can't just take it off and put it on whenever I like.
    BUT, the thing is, I wear one to school AND NOWHERE ELSE. I tried to explain that to my mum but she just sighed and shook her head.

    The next day my mum came in and woke me up for school like always, only this time she didn't touch me, she hardly stepped foot in my room. Usually she comes in and pulls the blanket off me. I tried to ignore that she hardly spoke to me and got up to change into my uniform for school. When I got downstairs for breakfast my mum was sleeping, but she usually drops me off to school, so she shouldn't have been sleeping... I asked her and she said I'm walking today.
    My dad came downstairs and was putting his shoes on, he said: "You look different without your hijab. You look weird."
    I ignored him.

    The next day I walked to school again because mum wanted me to, only this time she wasn't sleeping.
    And now it's the third day without wearing a hijab, and I have no idea what to do.
    Maybe my parents will stop being discouraging?
    Maybe it'll wear-off?
    Please help...
    Your level of English is very sophisticated for a Year 7. Just throwing that out there. :hmmm:
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    (Original post by Samrout)
    How very petty, not having the conviction to properly say what you believe. I hate to say it but it's enjoyable watching you try and dodge yourself. Now admit you said that muslims are not rational, thus putting them below you, a rational person (HAHA!) and admit you are a bigot, because this is not the first time you have made such a derogatory statement, and then I can stop feeding your sick ego with attention.

    With respect to belief in god. You still think that god is a man in the sky don't you. That is where everybody is going wrong.
    You need to calm down. You're a Muslim you say? You're not a very good person.
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    (Original post by Ras17)
    Your level of English is very sophisticated for a Year 7. Just throwing that out there. :hmmm:
    I read a lot, and I was brought up my the strict maturity of my loving parents.
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    oh dear. My girlfriend sort of asked me on almost a identical situation.
    She doesn't really like wearing her headscarf but her parents really push her too.

    I kind of only really understood her pain when she told me:
    "Its unfair how you can go to the gym wearing only a vest and shorts yet I can't turn up to school with out a head scarf "

    Shes right, and I personally don't think its Islam but its more the culture of traditional asian people - its just ****ed up. I mean my girlfriend doesnt dress slutty or anything like that. And yes, she does have a boyfriend (meh<3) ... but whats wrong with love? Silly peoplez.

    Anyways.. back to your life :P
    Personally its a choice.. think about it..
    YOUR life
    YOUR body
    YOUR choice

    just know your limits, I don't want to be influencing a future pornstar now..
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    (Original post by Frequency)
    You need to calm down. You're a Muslim you say? You're not a very good person.
    where in the quaran does it say allah is a man in the sky?

    No I'm not a muslim, I don't follow any religion other than my own.
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    Adjective: Based on or in accordance with reason or logic: "a rational explanation".

    The belief in an all knowing, all seeing God with a petty moral code and ridiculous scripture is not rational, this is not exclusive to Islam, but to almost all religions.

    Racist:a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others.

    Islam is not a race, it is a choice. By definition Racism is nonsensical because one cannot choose their race. As Islam is a choice, even hate of Muslims could never be called racist, not that I hate Muslims, as I've already stated.
    You're definitely a lil xenophobic though, aren't ya mate?
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    (Original post by Frequency)
    I can't do that.. My older brother and sister aren't very religious, they focus on school and work, so my parents are depending on me and putting me under pressure
    if the reason your following islam is because of your parents pressure, the your not really following islam truly are you? you should want to follow it, you should want to adhere to the rules of Allah, you should want yourself to be a good Muslim, not because your parents are pressuring you to.

    think about it yourself, are you a MUSLIM? really? or is it just pressure?
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    And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why religion is wack.
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    (Original post by Frequency)
    I read a lot, and I was brought up my the strict maturity of my loving parents.
    Well it's impressive. Books are knowledge

    The whole point of a hijab is protection. It doesn't always seem like it, but it's there to stop people from throwing unnecessary attention at a girl.

    The way I see it, you're in Year 7, I don't really think it's really relevant for you to wear one yet.

    It's important to understand that your parents are not trying to harm you, or upset you by their requirements.

    Above all though, it really should be a choice because forcing you isn't doing either of you any favours.

    They're not forcing you, but they're pressuring you. There is a distinction between the two.
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    To be honest your parents sound quite agressive so just continue saying you'll wear it (wear in on your way to school) and take it off in the bathrooms, if you go to uni in the future you will be able to decide not to wear it
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    (Original post by EonBlueApocalypse)
    And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why religion is wack.
    because of a 12 year old girl with parent problems? wake up mate before you post such turds. Religion is the only thing we have at the moment which tries to give a meaning to life. It's not perfect because it has been hijacked by many people using it for their own ends. Most religions are not complete either.
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    tbh TSR isn't the most ideal place to look for info, with the amount of flame and trollin that goes on.

    Your brother by the sounds of it would be a better person to talk to? I mean he's family (that is non parent ). And what looks like it you have his support anyway...win win scenario?
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    (Original post by Steevee)
    Myabe this will help you see how absurd religion can be.

    If you're a Muslim, you are required to wear the Hijab. If you're a rational human, then you know that such obligation is absurd, and I welcome you to take a long hard look at your religion.
    , your clearly not a muslim so you cant judge the religion of islma simply upon one requiremnt. wake up beofre posting ignorant and offensive comments
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    stop whining and just wear the thing

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