Around 1.6 billion claim to be muslim - but does Islam even exist?
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Re: Around 1.6 billion claim to be muslim - but does Islam even exist?Its not dodging the question. You asked for a numerical answer. You are not going to find any reliable answer. Yes some Muslims deliberately miss prayers, and yes some Muslims do not.(Original post by . . .)
Good job. Dodge the question.
Lets be honest here quiet a few "Muslims" miss a lot of prayers in their lifetimes which they do not account for. -
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Re: Around 1.6 billion claim to be muslim - but does Islam even exist?Your post:
Have you ever missed a prayer since you've hit puberty (or whenever you start being held accountable for them)?
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Yes, due to unusual circumstances, I have. But I have always repented and then prayed the missing prayer in the earliest opportunity. My brothers pray 5 times a day at masjid (mosque). We all wake up for the morning prayer before dawn (at around 3:30 nowadays), pray and then sleep again. And by the way, I have to go and pray the evening prayer now. -
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Re: Around 1.6 billion claim to be muslim - but does Islam even exist?Why are you so interested whether some Muslims miss a prayer? yes some Muslims do. There is your answer(Original post by . . .)
Okay I get it nearly all the muslims do not miss a single prayer.
Ahmadis are seen as non-Muslims by most mainstream scholars (of most schools of thought)(Original post by blueray)
No that's the sunni belief, not the ahmedy. -
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Re: Around 1.6 billion claim to be muslim - but does Islam even exist?That was your previous reply to me. Not your previous post.(Original post by M Kh)
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Have you ever missed a prayer since you've hit puberty (or whenever you start being held accountable for them)?
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Yes, due to unusual circumstances, I have. But I have always repented and then prayed the missing prayer in the earliest opportunity. My brothers pray 5 times a day at masjid (mosque). We all wake up for the morning prayer before dawn (at around 3:30 nowadays), pray and then sleep again. And by the way, I have to go and pray the evening prayer now. -
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Re: Around 1.6 billion claim to be muslim - but does Islam even exist?So are the ones that do miss a prayer without making up for it Muslims?(Original post by sabre2th1)
Why are you so interested whether some Muslims miss a prayer? yes some Muslims do. There is your answer
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Re: Around 1.6 billion claim to be muslim - but does Islam even exist?Wrong, they do intentionally and unintentionally. But what I am trying to point out here is that I live in an Arab country and I know people here who are very regular in their prayers and do not classify themselves in to different types of muslims. I don't know about people in my own homeland because I don't go there. I don't know about the other muslims living in Europe but my brother lives in London and prays regularly. And ALLAH knows best.(Original post by . . .)
Okay I get it nearly all the muslims do not miss a single prayer. -
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Re: Around 1.6 billion claim to be muslim - but does Islam even exist?But you got my point?(Original post by . . .)
That was your previous reply to me. Not your previous post. -
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Re: Around 1.6 billion claim to be muslim - but does Islam even exist?it is safe to assume that noone does even if i look at just one or two edicts delcared by the quran and mohammed (ie about prohibitions of image making and taking intoxicants) which the vast majority of muslims choose ignore in practice. all of billion or so the muslims that live in a muslim country but choose not to live under sharia law also.(Original post by DarkTitan)
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Re: Around 1.6 billion claim to be muslim - but does Islam even exist?So those that intentionally miss prayers either do not care/have a strong enough conviction in Allah or are just Muslims at face value.(Original post by M Kh)
Wrong, they do intentionally and unintentionally. But what I am trying to point out here is that I live in an Arab country and I know people here who are very regular in their prayers and do not classify themselves in to different types of muslims. I don't know about people in my own homeland because I don't go there. I don't know about the other muslims living in Europe but my brother lives in London and prays regularly. And ALLAH knows best. -
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Re: Around 1.6 billion claim to be muslim - but does Islam even exist?(Original post by sabre2th1)
Well there is the famous hadith that says Islam will split into 73 (or 72 I forgot which one) sects and only one of them will be the correct one. Also you claiming no Muslims are trying to implement Shariah is a clear lie.
hadith itself was written by one of the sects- a sunni one, so a moot point
Which country has successfully implemented quranic sharia? -
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Re: Around 1.6 billion claim to be muslim - but does Islam even exist?Whoever misses a prayer must account for it and if they don't, they must repent. It doesn't mean that if anyone intentioanlly misses a prayer loses Faith. ALLAH will account for our missed prayers on The Day of Judgement but the one who has even little faith in their heart enters Heaven at last. And ALLAH knows best.(Original post by . . .)
So are the ones that do miss a prayer without making up for it Muslims?
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Re: Around 1.6 billion claim to be muslim - but does Islam even exist?no the muslim beleif is that if you live in a non muslim country that rule can be disapplied. But there is no quranic sharia country in existence, i would also query if there ever has been in the last 800 years(Original post by . . .)
No but does it specifically say that you have to live in a country which implements sharia law. -
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Re: Around 1.6 billion claim to be muslim - but does Islam even exist?This means they are mislead by their wordly affairs or the Shaitan but ALLAH knows best. They must repent and ALLAH knows if one repents or not. If they still have Faith in their heart which only ALLAH knows if we do or we do not then they will still enter Heaven. No person who has even the slighest Faith in their hearts will stay in Hell forever. ALLAH knows best.(Original post by . . .)
So those that intentionally miss prayers either do not care/have a strong enough conviction in Allah or are just Muslims at face value. -
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Re: Around 1.6 billion claim to be muslim - but does Islam even exist?According to you, we follow just the one book and that's it. Stop trolling! Before you make it sound simple, and now you say it's "far more complicated" which it is, but initially you were partially wrong(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
you are wrong in the above becuase a self proclaimed muslim that does follow the ' 5 pillars' ( a muslim then according to you) but also decides drinking and drug taking is acceptable is no longer classed as practicing islam - certainly according to opinion on TSR
practice of islam is far more complicated than just 5 pillars -
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Re: Around 1.6 billion claim to be muslim - but does Islam even exist?Why do you care? Do you want to create one such country or are you trying to prove that we love ALLAH or not?(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
no the muslim beleif is that if you live in a non muslim country that rule can be disapplied. But there is no quranic sharia country in existence, i would also query if there ever has been in the last 800 years
But the Islamic coutries like Saudi Arabia are based on Islamic Sharia Law and even Kuwait is. -
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Re: Around 1.6 billion claim to be muslim - but does Islam even exist?Please tell me when you became a knowledgeable scholar on Islam, with years of academic studies?(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
This is your opinion not an islamic one -
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Re: Around 1.6 billion claim to be muslim - but does Islam even exist?following the quran correctly is more complicated than following 5 simple plillars. have you actually read the quran?(Original post by de_monies)
According to you, we follow just the one book and that's it. Stop trolling! Before you make it sound simple, and now you say it's "far more complicated" which it is, but initially you were partially wrong -
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Re: Around 1.6 billion claim to be muslim - but does Islam even exist?You seem to have this unhealthy obsession with Islam. What you are describing happens in every religion(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
the ultimate question for this thread to be answered is - are muslims practicing islam as is prescribed in the quran and words of mohammed or are they just doing it for face value. If the latter is true, then does 'islam' as a concept cease to exist -
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Re: Around 1.6 billion claim to be muslim - but does Islam even exist?Muslims are not supposed to be inflallible humans?..... Humans commit sins and we turn to our lord to seek forgiveness.(Original post by . . .)
Okay I get it nearly all the muslims do not miss a single prayer. -
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Re: Around 1.6 billion claim to be muslim - but does Islam even exist?It is a fair observation to make - a more widely applicable is the mohammedian principle that image making is against teaching of islam (hence why he banned all form of art and image making of living creatures)(Original post by . . .)
So those that intentionally miss prayers either do not care/have a strong enough conviction in Allah or are just Muslims at face value.
But do any muslim today abstain from watching tv, taking photos, using the internet
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