[aljolson]

Roger hodgson, for me, one of the best song writers of all time, states that his talents come from God. Now if that is true of Roger, then surely it is true of other people with great talents and abilities. But is'nt it true also of the people who's talents are less beautiful, like Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, Henry Vlll, Mother Theresa well maybe not her. Does'nt God take responsibility for the vile people as well?

[Mr. Tizzy XII]

A non-existent entity can't take responsibility for anything.

But the theists will argue that 'God' gave us free will, so we're responsible for our own actions.

[.eXe]

Define "talent"


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[ANIGAV]

(Original post by Mr. Tizzy XII)
A non-existent entity can't take responsibility for anything.

But the theists will argue that 'God' gave us free will, so we're responsible for our own actions.

..and why is it wrong to argue that God gave us free will? you state it as if it's impossible.

Topic: What most people mean by those statements is that God most likely was the force that motivated them to go keep forward. Each individuals on this planet has a positive force that keep driving us forward, it may be God or anything else and sometimes you see people with no positive force at all, those are the ones that have stopped dreaming.

[KingMessi]

If, as the religious suggest, God is the distal cause for everything that exists, the negative entities are just as much his responsibility as the positive ones.

[ANIGAV]

(Original post by KingMessi)
If, as the religious suggest, God is the distal cause for everything that exists, the negative entities are just as much his responsibility as the positive ones.

Indeed, you must be able to appreciate both sides to find and understand happiness, there will always be an antonym for any opposite, without it, positive cannot exist.

[Hylean]

(Original post by Mr. Tizzy XII)
A non-existent entity can't take responsibility for anything.

But the theists will argue that 'God' gave us free will, so we're responsible for our own actions.

Pretty much this. God may have given us 'talents', but it is up to us how we use them.

[S-man10]

What about serial killers such as Jack the ripper, are they given talents by god as well?

[ANIGAV]

(Original post by S-man10)
What about serial killers such as Jack the ripper, are they given talents by god as well?

They might have if you closely examine their personal life, every human on this planet has a talent, some seach and find it, others will never find it.

[iSoftie]

(Original post by S-man10)
What about serial killers such as Jack the ripper, are they given talents by god as well?

It's pretty stupid using Jack The Ripper as an example - we never found out who the kid was!
All I know was that he was intelligent, cunning and out to get some masons!
Anyway everyone has talent and talent isn't really what you think it is it's potential and potential added with practice = awesomeness!

God created us and talent just comes along. People do evil/bad doesn't mean they don't have talent?

[S-man10]

(Original post by iSoftie)
It's pretty stupid using Jack The Ripper as an example - we never found out who the kid was!
All I know was that he was intelligent, cunning and out to get some masons!
Anyway everyone has talent and talent isn't really what you think it is it's potential and potential added with practice = awesomeness!

God created us and talent just comes along. People do evil/bad doesn't mean they don't have talent?

Nope, it is a perfectly valid example and so, why does "who he really was" matter anyway? Pretty stupid counter there.

The point was that he was talented, very talented at what he did, which was murder and disfigure women (prostitutes at that). Talent is basically expertise and Jack the Ripper was certainly an expert.

Everyone has talent, whether for good or bad reasons. I'm unsure how Jack the Ripper would be able to use his talent for 'good'?

[ANIGAV]

(Original post by S-man10)
Nope, it is a perfectly valid example and so, why does "who he really was" matter anyway? Pretty stupid counter there.

The point was that he was talented, very talented at what he did, which was murder and disfigure women (prostitutes at that). Talent is basically expertise and Jack the Ripper was certainly an expert.

Everyone has talent, whether for good or bad reasons. I'm unsure how Jack the Ripper would be able to use his talent for 'good'?

Skill and Talent are completely different.

[Hylean]

(Original post by S-man10)
Nope, it is a perfectly valid example and so, why does "who he really was" matter anyway? Pretty stupid counter there.

The point was that he was talented, very talented at what he did, which was murder and disfigure women (prostitutes at that). Talent is basically expertise and Jack the Ripper was certainly an expert.

Everyone has talent, whether for good or bad reasons. I'm unsure how Jack the Ripper would be able to use his talent for 'good'?

Could've been a brilliant surgeon, taxidermist, etc.

[S-man10]

(Original post by ANIGAV)
Skill and Talent are completely different.

Explain how?

(Original post by Hylean)
Could've been a brilliant surgeon, taxidermist, etc.

Nope, I don't think so. He had a talent for killing and disfigurement in an choatic fashion. He displayed superb expertise at killing. And he displayed it on humans, not on animals.

[ANIGAV]

(Original post by S-man10)
Explain how?

Talents are innate abilities, potential one is born with. Skills are learned routines or methods that one does well.

[S-man10]

(Original post by ANIGAV)
Talents are innate abilities, potential one is born with. Skills are learned routines or methods that one does well.

No, talent isn't necessarily a skill that one is born with or is "innate". You could learn and develop something to the point where it is innate. And skill is just something, an ability to do something regardless of how good or bad one might be. If you haven't noticed, both words are used interchangeably.

For example, "he has a talent in that skill". How would you exaplin such a sentence using your definitions?

[ANIGAV]

(Original post by S-man10)
No, talent isn't necessarily a skill that one is born with or is "innate". You could learn and develop something to the point where it is innate. And skill is just something, an ability to do something regardless of how good or bad one might be. If you haven't noticed, both words are used interchangeably.

For example, "he has a talent in that skill". How would you exaplin such a sentence using your definitions?

It means, person A does something for 5 years = GOOD, person B does something for 5 years = EXCELLENCE.

[S-man10]

(Original post by ANIGAV)
It means, person A does something for 5 years = GOOD, person B does something for 5 years = EXCELLENCE.

Mind explaining what you have just said in detail because it makes no sense to what I asked or said.

[ANIGAV]

(Original post by S-man10)
Mind explaining what you have just said in detail because it makes no sense to what I asked or said.

If person A and B do the same thing, for instance Art. After 5 years, person A has become good in it whereas B is excelling, person B has a talent in that skill.

I am interested how one would measure the talent of murdering, the amount he kills? or how many times he gets away with?

[Hylean]

(Original post by S-man10)
Nope, I don't think so. He had a talent for killing and disfigurement in an choatic fashion. He displayed superb expertise at killing. And he displayed it on humans, not on animals.

Did he? Or did he just have a skill for dismembering and cutting? Which combined with a psychopathic mental disorder, led to the chaotic killings.

Either way, I'm sure God would ultimately be reponsible for such a talent, but The Ripper would be responsible for how he used it.