[farhiyaserar]

It seems like some people are only looking at one part of "Islam" and it is what the media says about Islam. Islam is supposed to be a religion of peace. But some people who says they are "Muslims" are the ones who are messing up our religion and what it's supposed to signify. And my main point is that Islam is AGAINST murder. So if you kill someone you are not part of the religion because you have broken one of its main laws. And i want people to understand that, some of the people who are part of terrorist attacks are boys who have been brainwashed into thinking they are doing a good deed. But they are just killing themselves (which is also a big sin) but also other innocent being (and even bigger sin). So instead of looking at what the media says; think about a nation that has a population of 2 billion something. And then think about how many Muslims you meet throughout your day. and think have they ever shown you any hatred towards you, or anyone. And have they ever spoken or said anything that could make them seem like they are bombers or whatever Muslims these days do.
And if I'm going to be honest i believe most of your answers are going to be "NO". Because Muslims are not like that. And the Koran has definitely not told us to kill people just because they don't believe in the religion.

[farhiyaserar]

(Original post by snozzle)
There has been some rogue killings/murder and that is regretful.

The thing is how do you know it's a rogue murder. You are just listening to what the media has told everybody. There are soldiers out there who are supposed to be protecting the country but they are not. Instead they are doing unforgivable acts like killing children and mothers.

And I will tell you how i know that. because my uncle has a friend that use to live in Afghanistan a few years ago. and he told him what is actually happening there. But I am not saying all of them are like that. And i really do appreciate their work of trying to stop extremist in taking power. But it seems like this war isn't going anywhere. Everyday people die, and I find that so horrible.

[farhiyaserar]

(Original post by Tahooper)
mutilations of young girls, the oppression of women and the killings of jews and gays, then I would say it is perfectly acceptable to criticise it.

What do you mean by mutilation of young girl?
And the oppression of women isn't what the religion says it's what the men say. Yes, Islam wants women to be housewives, but it doesn't say anywhere in the Koran that they can't be educated or have a job.

But the killing of the Jews. The hatred between Islam and Jews runs both ways, they want to kill the Muslims as well. But no one mentions that because everyone in power these days seem to be a Jew.

And for homosexuals. It is said to be wrong and unnatural for someone to be homosexual. That is mainly because only a man and woman can reproduce, and reproduction is very important, and it's not only in Islam it's important.

All I am saying is that yes I am Muslim. But i have nothing against Homosexuals And Jews because there is no point. There is enough hatred in the world, and there is nothing to hate. Each to his own.

[Darkphilosopher]

(Original post by AkaJetson)
Is Judeophobia rational for Palestinians then?

Yes. If you fire rockets into Israel then they can only expect to be treated poorly in return. (Despite the fact that the majority aren't)

[Darkphilosopher]

(Original post by fudgesundae)
Hardly. Saying that the Terrorists responsible for 9/11 and 7/7 were Muslim is a factual statement. Saying 1.65 billion people (22% of the world's population) are terrorists is not a factual statement.



Do you live in fear every time you enter a tall building that some muslim is about to fly a plane into it? No because that would be irrational.


Last time I checked, labelling 1.65 billion people as dangerous terrorists was persecution, not challenging a belief system or ideology.

I'm not labeling Muslims. I'm pointing out what Islam is capable of making people do.

[Moleman1996]

Well its not is it. It's considered a form of racism, and its looked down on by wider society and the law.

[ebie1995]

I think for many people who are called "Homophobic" we are actually miss labels, I have personally been called homophobic, yet i am not scared of gays at all, nor am i scared of men which is actually what the word should imply ( Homo, (like homo sapian) means man).
Its considered not okay to be anti--Semitic because of the occurrence of the holocaust, and also because of all the jewish political leaders around the world( America and uk have a lot of jew in parliament/congress) and muslims don't , also zionist get less media coverage than extremist muslims.
Also jewdaism is very closely intertwined with the race(jews) where as islam is open to people of all races. This means being anti-Semitic is racist where as islamaphobia is not

[Sean9001]

It's not.

[Wateroil]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
This is a well known fact you yourself could've just googled. Anyways, this site is considered pretty authentic for reporting - read.


Right, so what's wrong with marrying someone who has;

1. Reached full puberty
2. Reached mental maturity
3. Is physically mature
4. No harm (in any way) has come to that person in regards to this marriage.
5. Is completely happy with the marriage.

We're talking about 7th century here, where;

Such marriages were not seen as improper in historical context, and that individuals in such societies matured at an earlier age than in the modern West. - Colin Turner, Islam: The Basics, Routledge Press, pp. 34-35

Wow, there's no point even addressing anything else you say when I've seen you're a mental as most indoctrinated muslims and a paedophile sympathiser, or one yourself trying to justify it. The fact you think 9 year olds have reached full mental and physical maturity and somehow have proof they would have been happy in a forced marriage just heightens my concerns. The fact you think it was culturally acceptable back then is just crazy, that is like saying pillaging and raping villages when you captured them in medieval times was fine because it was the done thing at the time, or that the holocaust is no big deal because at the time it was socially acceptable to kill all the Jews in Germany.

[fudgesundae]

(Original post by Darkphilosopher)
I'm not labeling Muslims. I'm pointing out what Islam is capable of making people do.

But you didn't mention Islam really, you mentioned Muslims. Islamaphobia is not challenging the religion or ideology. With reference to the OP, that is perfectly acceptable. Islamophobia is comments like I hate Muslims because a few of them flew planes into buildings or all Muslims are terrorists.

[Bonged.]

(Original post by SaharaDesert)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there are laws in the UK that protect people from making homophobic comments but no laws for islamophobia?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/de...-muslim-insult

[fudgesundae]

(Original post by mimx)
I don't like mint chocolate chip ice cream. That's not rational or irrational, it's merely my taste. I can say the same about Muslims, it wouldn't make a difference to how 'rational' it is. You might find it distasteful, but let's not pretend that it has anything to do with logic or reasoning or anything like that.

Right...comparing mint chocolate chip ice cream to people...

Are you 12? Or just really really thick, because I think you are missing the point a little here.


Also, how can you hate mint chocolate chip, its glorious lol

[mimx]

(Original post by fudgesundae)
Right...comparing mint chocolate chip ice cream to people...

Are you 12? Or just really really thick, because I think you are missing the point a little here.

Again you seem determined to call people who disagree with you names instead of actually addressing what's been said.

Taste is taste, it has nothing to do with intelligence or rationality.

[fudgesundae]

(Original post by mimx)
Again you seem determined to call people who disagree with you names instead of actually addressing what's been said.

Taste is taste, it has nothing to do with intelligence or rationality.

If you read the first line of my post, I did address it. Hating a person is not the same as hating a flavour of ice cream.

[Wateroil]

(Original post by Moleman1996)
Well its not is it. It's considered a form of racism, and its looked down on by wider society and the law.

Well it shouldn't be, a religion shouldn't be protected under the guise of being a race as has been noted many times, you can be any race and be muslim. However I would as far to say that the biggest problems occur when a violent/hierarchy of power religion like islam is followed by a races more pre dis-positioned to tribal cultures where violence and aggression rule over society and intelligence with no capacity for advancing to a civilised state, that is when it because an issue of race as well. But most people don't make that connection yet.

[snozzle]

(Original post by farhiyaserar)
The thing is how do you know it's a rogue murder. You are just listening to what the media has told everybody. There are soldiers out there who are supposed to be protecting the country but they are not. Instead they are doing unforgivable acts like killing children and mothers.

And I will tell you how i know that. because my uncle has a friend that use to live in Afghanistan a few years ago. and he told him what is actually happening there. But I am not saying all of them are like that. And i really do appreciate their work of trying to stop extremist in taking power. But it seems like this war isn't going anywhere. Everyday people die, and I find that so horrible.

Military personel have been prosecuted. We can assume not all have been prosecuted as military justice is not infallible. What more we can about that I don't know?

I was disputing with another Poster that somehow the 'essence' of the UK military presence in Afghanistan was 'mass murder'. This is a dishonest proposition, pure propaganda.

We might not agree with the UK being in Afghanistan but it certainly did not go there to commit mass murder. It went to fight the Taliban. We can be all cynical about it and claim (wrongly) that it is a function of economic determinism, but I think the nay-sayers should look at the Taliban and say what makes them especially good and worth siding with.

[Coconutter]

Sorry haven't read through all the posts but I just have to say I can not disagree more. I went to a school where the moment you said anything offensive about black ethnicity/ anything about Islam/ Muslims you'd be out or at least in a lot of trouble. Whereas if any homophobic comments where said they were just ignored up until my final few years when we had teachers who were a lot stricter about homophobic comments and then punishment was a lot harsher. But anti-semetic comments were happily accepted and still are now. One memory that I have is a history lesson learning about Jack the ripper and as soon as there was mention of a possible suspect being Jewish everyone started shouting that it was the Jew and that carried on for a while. Likewise 'Jew' was the lovely thing lots of people used to call each other as a joke.

I personally don't believe any racist/ homophobic/ nasty comments about religion are right-but in the same respect I see no point in saying one is more targeted than the other because wherever you go your gonna find one is slightly more targeted and it isn't just a matter of "why is it acceptable to be islamphoic" or "why is it acceptable to be homophobic" because all get their fair share of abuse. In the same respect I think if you go looking for it you will find it, for some reason some people like to play the victim and jump at every oppurtunity they get even when it's not there.

I do however have no problem with people disagreeing/ critising religions/ beliefs that's the whole point of opinions. Though it doesn't help that some of the core values of Islam are offensive/ discriminatory against other people and so will get a reaction.

[uxa595]

There is nothing you can do about having thoughts about men. While i may not feel at ease around these people , i would not hold anything against them either as they can't help it.

But acting upon these urges in my book and my religion is a whole different matter. Gays just need to block these thought and try to think about something else.

[Darkphilosopher]

(Original post by fudgesundae)
But you didn't mention Islam really, you mentioned Muslims. Islamaphobia is not challenging the religion or ideology. With reference to the OP, that is perfectly acceptable. Islamophobia is comments like I hate Muslims because a few of them flew planes into buildings or all Muslims are terrorists.

No I didn't. You're pulling this out of your ***.

[Darkphilosopher]

(Original post by AkaJetson)
What about the ones who don't fire rockets in Israel in the West Bank who get stoned and shot at by settlers, do they deserve that? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...protester.html

No.
Do the innocents in Israel that get killed by rockets deserve that?