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Re: messi cannot be considered one of the best of all time until he wins a WCHe didn't win it by himself though. Yes he played a pitival role but without the whole team pulling their own weight they wouldn't have won anything. Argentina has an amazing attack but their defence is very poor, look at Napoli they are similar in that they have an amazing attack but weak defence. Never see them winning winning anything do you?(Original post by KingZizou)
he was 25 when he scored the 2 late, winning goals against brazil, which won france the world cup. yes he did win it for them, if it wasn't for those 2 goals france would have lost.
then he came out of retirement as an old man. the guy was 34, and could have easily won the world cup for france all by himself.
so why can he not perform without xavi and iniesta? what has he done for argentina? scoring goals isn't the same as carrying a team. when zidane carried a team he made sure they never lost possession, he moved them around and controlled the game all by himself.
i've said this before and i'll say it again. messi will attempt to dribble past defenders 10 times in a match, and it will only work twice. zidane will try it 3 times, and it will work all 3 times. don't bring up stats. what about when messi tried to dribble past chelsea defenders in CL, got dispossessed and ended up conceding a goal and getting knocked out of the CL? that **** doesn't get added to the stat book
let's not forget that the brazil team they had to beat were a lot better than any national team in today's game aswell. zidane could easily win a world cup with players like aguero, tevez, lavezzi, mascherano etc. in today's world.
'scoring goals isn't the same as carrying a team' did you miss out the part where I told you he has the second highest rate of assists in the la liga? Besides he has to play a different role in the Argentina team. He is a playmaker, it's not exactly his fault if the rest of the team don't finish off chances.
He'll dribble and it will only work twice? Ehm no it won't he very rarely loses the ball when he dribbles, that's why he is known as the greatest dribbler in the world.
I don't know why you're trying to compare them anyway, they are two completely different types of players.
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Re: messi cannot be considered one of the best of all time until he wins a WC"Replay suggests a bad decision"(Original post by tommm)
This is often stated, and would be quite cool if true, but sadly it isn't true.
e.g. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/1...wsstory.sport6 56 minutes.
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Re: messi cannot be considered one of the best of all time until he wins a WC(Original post by tommm)
This is often stated, and would be quite cool if true, but sadly it isn't true.
e.g. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/1...wsstory.sport6 56 minutes.
Ok we can allow the man a few offsides. Watching him was a pure pleasure. Such elegance. He made everything look so easy.
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Re: messi cannot be considered one of the best of all time until he wins a WCCruyff and Van Basten never won a World Cup, neither did Puskas, Di Stefano, Platini, Best, Eusebio, Yashin, Weah, or countless others.
George Weah, George Best and Alfredo Di Stefano never even played in a World Cup.
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Re: messi cannot be considered one of the best of all time until he wins a WCDid Cryuff win a WC? Di Stefano? van Basten?
Messi is the best player in some time IMO, but he needs to play in a more competitive league. Real and Barca are guaranteed 1st/2nd, and scoring 60 goals against largely crappy teams is immaterial. In England, the difference between our top teams and the ****ty one is far smaller than in Spain. -
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Re: messi cannot be considered one of the best of all time until he wins a WCalright so zidane was offside once in his career, same thing.(Original post by johnharris19944)
two offsides that game 42nd minute and 56th
those players aren't in the same bracket as pele, maradona, zidane and fat ronaldo (who by the way have all won world cups)(Original post by michaelhaych)
Cruyff and Van Basten never won a World Cup, neither did Puskas, Di Stefano, Platini, Best, Eusebio, Yashin, Weah, or countless others.
George Weah, George Best and Alfredo Di Stefano never even played in a World Cup.
Your argument is invalid.
messi has played in 2 world cups (same as zidane) and has been unsuccessful in both. zidane has played 2 world cups, won one and was a finalist in the other. how much clearer can it get? -
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Re: messi cannot be considered one of the best of all time until he wins a WCzidane won balloon d'or 3 years IN A ROW back when ronaldinho, ronaldo, figo, bergkamp, henry, roberto carlos, pires etc. were still playing.
messi has done the same thing, but who is there to challenge him? zidane did it in the golden age, messi did it in a time where there are very few world class players -
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Re: messi cannot be considered one of the best of all time until he wins a WCYou don't think Puskas, Di Stefano, Best and Eusebio are comparable to Fat Ronaldo?(Original post by KingZizou)
alright so zidane was offside once in his career, same thing.
those players aren't in the same bracket as pele, maradona, zidane and fat ronaldo (who by the way have all won world cups)
messi has played in 2 world cups (same as zidane) and has been unsuccessful in both. zidane has played 2 world cups, won one and was a finalist in the other. how much clearer can it get?
Surely the addition of "Fat" before his name pretty much sums up everything that was wrong with him? Yes he was amazing in the late 90s but was finished as a top level player before he turned 30, to suggest that the aforementioned players aren't comparable because of the piece of rock they were born on is ****ing absurd. -
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Re: messi cannot be considered one of the best of all time until he wins a WCthis is the thing.. zidane was so great that there is no such thing as "zidane in his prime". even after retiring for 5 years he's still doing everything right and hasn't lost any of his skill.(Original post by CB91)
Messi's game relies on his quick footwork, not pace. Messi will probably be in his prime in 2-3 years. -
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Re: messi cannot be considered one of the best of all time until he wins a WC(Original post by KingZizou)
messi has done the same thing, but who is there to challenge him?
You have to be trolling.
Xavi, Iniesta, Ronaldo, Ribery, Rooney, Robben, Drogba, Villa, Falcao....
Seriously, just give up. Yes, Zidane was one of the GOATs. Messi may be if he carries on as he is. -
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Re: messi cannot be considered one of the best of all time until he wins a WCWhat, based on how he performed in Soccer Aid against Ben Shepherd?(Original post by KingZizou)
this is the thing.. zidane was so great that there is no such thing as "zidane in his prime". even after retiring for 5 years he's still doing everything right and hasn't lost any of his skill.
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Re: messi cannot be considered one of the best of all time until he wins a WCno i don't. fat ronaldo is comparable to zinedine zidane, which says it all.(Original post by barnetbuzzzz)
You don't think Puskas, Di Stefano, Best and Eusebio are comparable to Fat Ronaldo?
zidane - "ronaldo is the best player i have ever seen touch a football"
ronaldo was fat, zidane was old, yet they were still baowss(Original post by barnetbuzzzz)
Surely the addition of "Fat" before his name pretty much sums up everything that was wrong with him? Yes he was amazing in the late 90s but was finished as a top level player before he turned 30, to suggest that the aforementioned players aren't comparable because of the piece of rock they were born on is ****ing absurd. -
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Re: messi cannot be considered one of the best of all time until he wins a WCPuskas, Van Basten, Eusebio and Di Stefano were all infinitely better than Ronaldo, go look at their goal scoring records.(Original post by KingZizou)
alright so zidane was offside once in his career, same thing.
those players aren't in the same bracket as pele, maradona, zidane and fat ronaldo (who by the way have all won world cups)
messi has played in 2 world cups (same as zidane) and has been unsuccessful in both. zidane has played 2 world cups, won one and was a finalist in the other. how much clearer can it get?
Best and Platini are just as good as Zidane.
Zidane won a World Cup on home soil and was a finalist in a neighbouring country. Messi had to travel halfway around the World. During the 2006 World Cup, Messi was mainly used as a substitute.
And do you remember the 2002 World Cup when a Zidane-led France finished bottom of their group with 1 point? He wasn't that good then, was he? -
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Re: messi cannot be considered one of the best of all time until he wins a WCNo he didn't..(Original post by KingZizou)
zidane won balloon d'or 3 years IN A ROW -
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Re: messi cannot be considered one of the best of all time until he wins a WCyou're comparing xavi, iniesta, ronaldo, robben, drogba, villa and falcao to zidane, fat ronaldo, r.carlos, figo, bergkamp, henry, ronaldinho and pires.(Original post by barnetbuzzzz)
You have to be trolling.
Xavi, Iniesta, Ronaldo, Ribery, Rooney, Robben, Drogba, Villa, Falcao....
Seriously, just give up. Yes, Zidane was one of the GOATs. Messi may be if he carries on as he is.
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Re: messi cannot be considered one of the best of all time until he wins a WChave you watched the video? most of the things he does doesn't even depend on his opposition.
and yeah, based on that and the fact that he alone took france to the world cup final after retirement, making ribery and malouda stars in the process -
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Re: messi cannot be considered one of the best of all time until he wins a WCYou genuinely think Pires was far better than Xavi and Iniesta?(Original post by KingZizou)
you're comparing xavi, iniesta, ronaldo, robben, drogba, villa and falcao to zidane, fat ronaldo, r.carlos, figo, bergkamp, henry, ronaldinho and pires.
just shut up man
You said yourself that Xavi and Iniesta carry Messi for Barca.
Stop contradicting yourself
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Re: This nonesense needs to stop.According to your logic Xavi and Iniesta should be compared to legends since they have won everything and 'carry Barcelona' as you say, a team known as the greatest in history by some.(Original post by KingZizou)
you're comparing xavi, iniesta, ronaldo, robben, drogba, villa and falcao to zidane, fat ronaldo, r.carlos, figo, bergkamp, henry, ronaldinho and pires.
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Re: messi cannot be considered one of the best of all time until he wins a WCi'm saying that the players that played in the zidane era are A LOT better than the players playing in today's game in general.(Original post by barnetbuzzzz)
You genuinely think Pires was far better than Xavi and Iniesta?
i said xavi and iniesta carry barca, yes.. where's the contradiction?(Original post by barnetbuzzzz)
You said yourself that Xavi and Iniesta carry Messi for Barca.
Stop contradicting yourself
zidane + figo > xavi + iniesta, very easily..
