B454 - Health, Social and Sexual Education Bill 2012
TSR's model parliament.
| Announcements | Posted on | |
|---|---|---|
| Please change your TSR password | 23-05-2013 | |
| Enter our travel-writing competition for the chance to win a Nikon 1 J3 camera | 20-05-2013 | |
-
Re: B454 - Health, Social and Sexual Education Bill 2012
This should be incorporated into PSHE and various Disabilities should included. Please change all reference of mental illnesses to mental health because there is a lot of stigma.
Alcohol should also be included.Last edited by Morgsie; 27-05-2012 at 02:49. -
Re: B454 - Health, Social and Sexual Education Bill 2012Read section 4.(Original post by Morgsie)
This should be incorporated into PSHE and various Disabilities should included. Please change all reference of mental illnesses to mental health because there is a lot of stigma.
Alcohol should also be included.
This seems like a very sensible Bill, aye! -
Re: B454 - Health, Social and Sexual Education Bill 2012I don't know about PSHE and didn't author the bill myself, but im sure that can be looked in to. the change of wording I believe is already planned for the 2nd reading(Original post by Morgsie)
This should be incorporated into PSHE and various Disabilities should included. Please change all reference of mental illnesses to mental health because there is a lot of stigma.
Alcohol should also be included.
is also not the intent of the bill to stigmatise, quite the opposite or as someone with mental health issues I would not have supported it.
alcohol is included?
so? it is still very important that people know about them and the risks and stuff, regardless of whether it is legal or not.(Original post by MacCuishy)
You do realise all drugs are legal under the Narcotics Act? -
Re: B454 - Health, Social and Sexual Education Bill 2012How is this nannying? In TSR Land, all narcotics are legal. This bill doesn't in any way change that, and it isn't dictating to children "thou shalt not smoke". It's just saying "these are the dangers of smoking. You should know them before you make a decision". I can't understand why anyone would oppose this bill. There are elements I'd touch up, but the key ideas are absolutely sound.(Original post by tehFrance)
Oh here comes the nannying again... no. -
Re: B454 - Health, Social and Sexual Education Bill 2012Which makes this all the more important.(Original post by MacCuishy)
You do realise all drugs are legal under the Narcotics Act? -
Re: B454 - Health, Social and Sexual Education Bill 2012I didn't learn about all of this in great detail and I turned out fine, children should be allowed to learn by mistakes not by boring lectures.(Original post by TopHat)
How is this nannying? In TSR Land, all narcotics are legal. This bill doesn't in any way change that, and it isn't dictating to children "thou shalt not smoke". It's just saying "these are the dangers of smoking. You should know them before you make a decision". I can't understand why anyone would oppose this bill. There are elements I'd touch up, but the key ideas are absolutely sound. -
Re: B454 - Health, Social and Sexual Education Bill 2012
Some mistakes, particularly where drugs are concerned, are lethal, or cause permanent damage. By the time you've made them, it is too late to learn.
In addition, I'm not sure you are the best example of "turning out fine". Firstly, you're Conservative, secondly, you're French. That's not fine.
-
Re: B454 - Health, Social and Sexual Education Bill 2012Oy vey.(Original post by TopHat)
Some mistakes, particularly where drugs are concerned, are lethal, or cause permanent damage. By the time you've made them, it is too late to learn.
In addition, I'm not sure you are the best example of "turning out fine". Firstly, you're Conservative, secondly, you're French. That's not fine.
I am the best example, I am Conservative, French, Gorgeous and Rich
-
- Reputation:
- Community Assistant
- Wiki Support Team
- The Rt. Hon. Jarred MP - Speaker of the MHoC
- Location: Loughborough/Coventry
- Posts: 1,650
Re: B454 - Health, Social and Sexual Education Bill 2012I'm certain this already exists in the curriculum.
As many of said, it is a component of PSHE. It's a lesson I had up until 16 years of age, and it educates this kind of stuff. It's been known by different names.
For me, sometimes it was called PSE, PSHE, PSHCE, EC, PDC and finally PD over the years that I had to learn it but it was always the same lesson, they just couldn't decide on a name by the looks of it. All in all, it's a lesson about drugs and sex. We don't need another lesson to teach that. This bill should seek to instead merge all of what it's about into the PSHE lesson itself. But I'm fairly sure a lot of it is already in there anyway. Someone should look into that, send this to a second reading and merge anything which is not in there already into the PSHE lesson. -
Re: B454 - Health, Social and Sexual Education Bill 2012
Firstly and most importantly, I agree with the principle of the Bill. What follows below isn't an attack on the ideas behind it, but criticism of some of the specifics within the Bill.
In so far as I'm not an expert on what's already in the curriculum - I can't comment - I'd encourage the authors to detail in a second reading what is already there and what's new - so that the House can be making an informed decision. Not all in PSHE - for example I know that dangers of smoking is covered in GCSE Biology. So it'd be useful to know more clearly what's changing here.
I'm not sure why 'sexual' is in the title - since this Bill doesn't deal with any changes regarding sexual education - for sure. I also think it's a bit heavy-handed to teach children of all mental illnesses and the therapy and drug based treatments. It's a huge amount to cover all of them. Certainly I think trying to teach 14 year olds about brain chemistry of complicated or uncommon mental illnesses just isn't going to sink in - and so end up a bit useless. This should be refined a bit.
Further to this, I think you'd be much better off using the 'list of narcotics' that's maintained by the SoS as set out in our Narcotics Act. It includes all of those in the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 initially, but is a constantly updated list of those substances regulated in the fashion set out in that Act.. The 1971 list could get out of date pretty quickly considering it's been repealed. Further to that, I agree with the inclusion of alcohol and tobacco.
Oh, and Section 4, despite being definitions, still requires numbering.
-
Re: B454 - Health, Social and Sexual Education Bill 2012A cokehead that pays for sex. Yes, you turned out fine.(Original post by tehFrance)
I didn't learn about all of this in great detail and I turned out fine, children should be allowed to learn by mistakes not by boring lectures. -
Re: B454 - Health, Social and Sexual Education Bill 2012Whilst there may be a certain stigma, the wording might not be changed because i am planning a section on 'mental health' based around the teachings of positive psychology. Apologies that it isn't yet included, i don't want to be doing this too much in the middle of exams. However, if you have any other alternative names, i'd be happy to hear them.(Original post by Morgsie)
This should be incorporated into PSHE and various Disabilities should included. Please change all reference of mental illnesses to mental health because there is a lot of stigma.
Alcohol should also be included.
I am the best example, I am Conservative, French, Gorgeous and Rich