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(Original post by Amos36)
Not gonna lie - Freakonomics is such a good book. Along with "Free Lunch" by David Smith, it's what got me hooked on economics.

Totally agree, what a lamentable thing that I can't like your post because I've run out of likes for today... and it's only 10:52am... fml...

Excellent Have you read Freakonomics 2 - I'm not imagining that this book exists, am I? If it does, I am going to read it in the summer I'm not an economist; the book got me hooked on thinking and questioning!

[Joinedup]

(Original post by anaplian)
I intend to practice at The Bar and there are few jobs that require more of a commitment, only 1 in 6 people who complete the BPTC will EVER gain pupillage.

Don't talk to me about job competition. My chosen area of work is one of the hardest to break into in the country and, moreover, it isn't particularly dominated by immigrants so unlike yourself i have no-one to blame!

yeah no doubt it's a nice little priviledged enclave behind nice high barriers against having your wages undercut by immigrants from which to sneer 'dey took yer jerbs' at the people who enjoy no such protection.

[anaplian]

(Original post by Joinedup)
yeah no doubt it's a nice little priviledged enclave behind nice high barriers against having your wages undercut by immigrants from which to sneer 'dey took yer jerbs' at the people who enjoy no such protection.

I come from a working class family, i needed to get a scholarship to even do my conversion course and i'm going to have to take a year out to earn the money to do my BPTC. Moreover, the vast majority of barristers don't earn ridiculous money, you have no idea what you're talking about.

We're in a recession and times are hard for everyone, protip, you're part of the problem.

[Nightstar-27]

(Original post by Gridiron-Gangster)
Well economies need skilled workers to grow.

As I said, I don't mind skilled workers coming in who support themselves and don't cause trouble.

[Gridiron-Gangster]

(Original post by Nightstar-27)
As I said, I don't mind skilled workers coming in who support themselves and don't cause trouble.

And what about the unskilled natives who do cause trouble, what are we to do with them?

[The Marshall]

(Original post by Gridiron-Gangster)
And what about the unskilled natives who do cause trouble, what are we to do with them?

DEPORT THEM. If I were the leader of Britain, deport them. They are of no use, so what will they do here? Nothing. Therefore if they can't work or do anything, the easy option is to send them back

[The Marshall]

(Original post by TCD23)
The problem is MODERATION, as with all things.

The worst thing New Labour done was to basically lift all restrictions and let way more than what this country can hold (we're massively over-populated not just due to immigration but that is still a factor) and thus have put race relation back about fifty years as the over-population leads to less jobs. All people want is for the borders to get under control, and for some REASONABLE immigration levels of skilled workers who can benefit our economy.

Is it that so hard to do and agree with? No I don't think so.

All people want is for the borders to get under control, and for some REASONABLE immigration levels of skilled workers who can benefit our economy.

The only problem is you British don't present it that way. You present as if you want everyone OUT of the country. If you were much nicer, much calmer, then could the British people explain it responsbiliy. Otherwise, no. You're just hyping up the issues of Immigration. If you want to say that, then other people must agree with you.

[Cannotbelieveit]

(Original post by x_Natalie_x)
Here we go again...

These are the facts: Immigration is not a bad thing... in moderation. Unfortunately a state policy of multiculturalism, mass immigration and allowing illegal immigration over the years 1997-2010 irreversibly harmed this country, leading to a huge increase in crime, disease, terrorism and attempted terrorism (check all of these figures out if you don't believe me; the violent crime one is particularly disturbing).

Perhaps immigration does bring some benefit to the economy, but only for the big businesses, who can now hire cheap labour willing to work for less than minimum wage. I think if you were to go into some of the deprived, white working class areas of the country and state that you thought immigration brought 'overall benefit' to the economy you would get a very bad reception.

Unfortunately the ruling classes and champagne socialists in their ivory towers experience none of these problems and believe that we are all living in a multicultural utopia. Working class and middle class resentment over this blissful ignorance only exacerbates the problem as people then believe they are trapped, not being listened to, and are having their livelihoods, jobs, and culture eroded by a state/elite imposed doctrine. This leads to the rise of racism, segregation, and race-conflict (among all races), and dangerous movements advocating all of these. In fact people should be directing their ire not at good immigrants - who are only taking their opportunity - but at the ruling classes, particularly the Labour Party who claim to represent the working man but sold him out over 1997-2010.

And that is why immigration is perceived negatively.

Couldn't say it any better myself.

[Fraga]

There are great and bad points of immigration. However, I do feel that only the bad points are emphasised by politicians and the media in order to deviate from what exactly is the main cause of this deficit...tax evasion and bad bankers.

[Joinedup]

(Original post by anaplian)
I come from a working class family, i needed to get a scholarship to even do my conversion course and i'm going to have to take a year out to earn the money to do my BPTC. Moreover, the vast majority of barristers don't earn ridiculous money, you have no idea what you're talking about.

We're in a recession and times are hard for everyone, protip, you're part of the problem.

and i'm sure they'd be very proud to see you mocking people who've been made redundant.

[DontJudge]

(Original post by Dont Tread On Me)
The "people" in those video's are subhuman scum

Or failure on the behalf of the government for not socialising the ethnic minority and lower class within society, leaving them feeling marginalised.

Hence why they may commit crime in order to gain some sort of status, within their very own collective subcultures.

[Captain Haddock]

(Original post by internetguru)
Yes I have been to the immigrant town I go to college in. There are areas where 90% of the people are from India or Poland.

So what?

[anaplian]

(Original post by Joinedup)
and i'm sure they'd be very proud to see you mocking people who've been made redundant.

There are two types of working class people, those that are happy with their situation/work to make it better and those that blame others.

You're the latter, maybe if that chip on your shoulder wasn't so inordinately large you might be less bitter.

[Michael Locke]

(Original post by Phantom_X)
There is a point there though- The market itself is competitive, and there are people willing to do good jobs at low prices, hence their labour is better value. Why should a business, who's aim is to make a profit, hire someone with a rather high cost, simply because he's British?

Although it is more than that. My dad is a business owner, and despite being asian, still hires english people to work for him- its more because they are reliable, something that a lot of british kids aren't really these days.

They shouldn't. However, they should pay the legal minimum wage to immigrants (or abolish the law entirely), in turn allowing me to find work. The problem is really widespread.

[A Mysterious Lord]

(Original post by DontJudge)
Or failure on the behalf of the government for not socialising the ethnic minority and lower class within society, leaving them feeling marginalised.

Hence why they may commit crime in order to gain some sort of status, within their very own collective subcultures.

Stop making excuses for them, they're scum, end of.

[Royale]

(Original post by prog2djent)

I don't see what this has to do with immigration.

[DontJudge]

(Original post by A Mysterious Lord)
Stop making excuses for them, they're scum, end of.

Would you be confident that you wouldn’t turn out to be people like them considering being of a low class, lower status, receiving racism on a daily basis, receiving discrimination, attending an inadequate school, being taught with morals that education is not priority, or being taught that if anyone ever says something you don’t like deserve to get hit, having an inadequate upbringing, having a dysfunctional family without stable role models or stepdads/mums to look up to, where your father is an alcoholic, your mother takes illegal drugs on a daily basis, being brought up around class A drugs since a child, and being there to look after them in hospital because of self-harm, being stigmatised by society, because no one understands their problems at home.

After all that, you expect them to be ‘la di da’? Of course they’re going to have a mind which holds values that are different to mainstream society, and will be considered as ‘abnormal’ and from a conservative point of veiw, 'people who commit crime should just be punished'. Rather than understand the root causes of 'why' they are doing what they are doing, surely it is the governments fault for failing to integrate them within society, and leaving them feeling like the 'outsiders'?

[Nightstar-27]

(Original post by Gridiron-Gangster)
And what about the unskilled natives who do cause trouble, what are we to do with them?

They're already here, we can't get rid of them. We should improve our education system to stop the production of trouble making natives. But letting in unskilled immigrants that cause problems is a stupid idea. There's no economic reason for it as it only costs us money and it only creates social problems.

[Gridiron-Gangster]

(Original post by Nightstar-27)
They're already here, we can't get rid of them. We should improve our education system to stop the production of trouble making natives. But letting in unskilled immigrants that cause problems is a stupid idea. There's no economic reason for it as it only costs us money and it only creates social problems.

OK so tell me how do you propose we imporve the education system from what it is at the moment? What do you think is flawed aboutt he education system that is leading to this social unrest you describe?

[anaplian]

Only British people would see our current social system as being in a state of 'unrest'. Comparatively (with other developed nations) this country is quite calm.