[cl_steele]

(Original post by Alex3591)
All the highly competitive ones at Universities, hence why they are so popular.

Medicine, Law, Dental Surgery, Nursing, Pharmacy, Engineering etc.

Get a good degree from a decent University in one of these subjects (or a similar one) and you will never have to worry about finding a job, or money.

Good luck.

that one is somewhat debateable...

[Isambard Kingdom Brunel]

I am a graduate of film and tv studies.

A degree like that never fails to land you a job...stacking shelves.

[see-are]

[QUOTE=hassi94;37807769]Dude, give up. We all know you haven't the slightest clue about university maths. If you've done a Maths degree then why did you post these in the past month:








Now give up.[/QUOT

making up quotes isn't gonna win you this argument pal

[alexs2602]

(Original post by see-are)

(Original post by hassi94)
Dude, give up. We all know you haven't the slightest clue about university maths. If you've done a Maths degree then why did you post these in the past month:








Now give up.

making up quotes isn't gonna win you this argument pal

(Original post by see-are)
For Stats GCSE did anyone else feel like we got given way too much time in the exam? I remember like 4/5 people in the hall were sitting looking bored with a closed paper with an hour to go

The coursework on the other hand was soooo lonngg

Anyone else think this GCSE needs tampering with?

(Original post by see-are)
This paper was SO easy, grade boundary will be like 99% for an A .
Ended up doing both forty markers because i was bored. (I crossed out the one about back benchers because it was worse)

Check and mate. You are too easy. These quotes have links to your actual posts. If you had done a degree you wouldn't have posted these things.

[Intriguing Alias]

(Original post by see-are)
making up quotes isn't gonna win you this argument pal

If you click 'Originally Posted' it links you to where exactly you wrote these things

[the666thmessiah]

Chemistry - with a degree in that you can easily move into further study in the fields of biology or physics, not to mention the fact that it sets you up with perfect jumping off platform into postgrad medicine, engineering, etc.

It has the mathematics alot of employers look for, and a specialization.

Like any science subject you can get a typical graduate job like a degree such as psychology, history, or english will get you, as well as the oppurtunity to work in your field right after graduation. Not only that, but as stated above, being the central science, it is very easy to jump into different fields.

For pure prospects, or for the indecisive, chemistry is the way to go.

[Kenocide]

(Original post by stac4321)
My bad I had no idea about the law thing, so sorry I really am misinformed, I just randomly named a 'serious' degree that had some kind career associated with it, not knowing that it wasn't actually paticually associated with it.

And conversely was the wrong word - to clarify I didn't mean to say that the same skills can't be developed from a medical or law degree.

Are you a lawyer?

Fair enough. It's generally not advisable to talk in a way that purports to share knowledge when the thing you are talking about is actually something you know little about.

Yeah I study Law. And it ain't no picnic. And comparing it with the likes of an English degree pissed me off because basically at my uni, so many people on degrees like English are doing sweet FA in terms of work at the moment and throughout the year whereas I'm working my nuts off all year and doing 6-9 hours of revision per day - and chances are we will all end up with a 2:1 and people will therefore assume they are equivalent.

I don't suggest this is the same everywhere, I think my uni is generally recognised as having an excellent law school and being a bit 'meh' for most other common degrees.

But the inequality of it really riles me, particularly when I think about the desperate hunt for jobs when we graduate. The thought of one of my flatmates who spent the whole morning and afternoon before his exam today playing football topless on the grass outside applying for the same job as me with his 2:1 in History and being regarded as having put the same amount of work in as me pisses me off no end.

I realise I have just answered a question that you didn't ask and I apologise for venting. I think I've just been wanting to say this for a while and it feels good to have finally said it.

[aftrglw]

(Original post by Kenocide)
Fair enough. It's generally not advisable to talk in a way that purports to share knowledge when the thing you are talking about is actually something you know little about.

Yeah I study Law. And it ain't no picnic. And comparing it with the likes of an English degree pissed me off because basically at my uni, so many people on degrees like English are doing sweet FA in terms of work at the moment and throughout the year whereas I'm working my nuts off all year and doing 6-9 hours of revision per day - and chances are we will all end up with a 2:1 and people will therefore assume they are equivalent.

I don't suggest this is the same everywhere, I think my uni is generally recognised as having an excellent law school and being a bit 'meh' for most other common degrees.

But the inequality of it really riles me, particularly when I think about the desperate hunt for jobs when we graduate. The thought of one of my flatmates who spent the whole morning and afternoon before his exam today playing football topless on the grass outside applying for the same job as me with his 2:1 in History and being regarded as having put the same amount of work in as me pisses me off no end.

I realise I have just answered a question that you didn't ask and I apologise for venting. I think I've just been wanting to say this for a while and it feels good to have finally said it.

I think people realize that, which is why law grads have higher starting salaries and career prospects compared to humanities degrees. I'd much rather have a law degree than an English degree. Actually, I have a English/Philosophy BA... but I did get serious for my masters.

[Kenocide]

(Original post by cl_steele)
that one is somewhat debateable...

On what grounds?

A law graduate has more options than simply 'become lawyer'.

In fact, out of all the degrees that have been listed on this thread I'd argue it's probably the most versatile. A law degree is less about subject specific knowledge and more about varied and particular skills which happen to be transferable and desirable.

[Kenocide]

(Original post by aftrglw)
I think people realize that, which is why law grads have higher starting salaries and career prospects compared to humanities degrees. I'd much rather have a law degree than an English degree. Actually, I have a English/Philosophy BA... but I did get serious for my masters.

I hope so.

There is a lot of talk at the moment of graduate unemployment and given the vast chasm that is the difference in workload/work rate required as between different degrees I can't help but think that although it sucks that they did a degree and yet can't get a job, when it's my turn to join the hunt, I'll be very aware of the fact that every 2:1 degree is not the same. And if I'm up against the types of people I see around me now that can easily get a 2:1 by doing a couple of hours of revision the night before, and it's me or them, they can stay right where they are while I reap the rewards for doing a soul-destroyingly difficult degree.

I know it seems harsh but it is only fair.

[t0ffee]

Clearly its medicine lol! In terms of getting a job once graduated.

[t0ffee]

(Original post by Kenocide)
Fair enough. It's generally not advisable to talk in a way that purports to share knowledge when the thing you are talking about is actually something you know little about.

Yeah I study Law. And it ain't no picnic. And comparing it with the likes of an English degree pissed me off because basically at my uni, so many people on degrees like English are doing sweet FA in terms of work at the moment and throughout the year whereas I'm working my nuts off all year and doing 6-9 hours of revision per day - and chances are we will all end up with a 2:1 and people will therefore assume they are equivalent.

I don't suggest this is the same everywhere, I think my uni is generally recognised as having an excellent law school and being a bit 'meh' for most other common degrees.

But the inequality of it really riles me, particularly when I think about the desperate hunt for jobs when we graduate. The thought of one of my flatmates who spent the whole morning and afternoon before his exam today playing football topless on the grass outside applying for the same job as me with his 2:1 in History and being regarded as having put the same amount of work in as me pisses me off no end.

I realise I have just answered a question that you didn't ask and I apologise for venting. I think I've just been wanting to say this for a while and it feels good to have finally said it.

Time spent working is a pretty poor indicator of how intelligent you have to be to get a certain grade in a degree.

[aftrglw]

(Original post by Kenocide)



I hope so.

There is a lot of talk at the moment of graduate unemployment and given the vast chasm that is the difference in workload/work rate required as between different degrees I can't help but think that although it sucks that they did a degree and yet can't get a job, when it's my turn to join the hunt, I'll be very aware of the fact that every 2:1 degree is not the same. And if I'm up against the types of people I see around me now that can easily get a 2:1 by doing a couple of hours of revision the night before, and it's me or them, they can stay right where they are while I reap the rewards for doing a soul-destroyingly difficult degree.

I know it seems harsh but it is only fair.

Haha, I see what you're saying. Unfortunately though, a degree is not a job ticket by itself. In my experience, your ability to get a job after uni ultimately depends on two things: how well you sell yourself and networking. A tightly crafted resume that highlights your skills and how they're perfect for the job at hand will do wonders. Your degree is only as good as you can sell it to be to potential employers.

The only degrees that I think lead more or less directly into jobs are degrees in accounting/finance, engineering or most of the 'real' sciences. But who wants to do those jobs anyways?

[Kenocide]

(Original post by t0ffee)
Time spent working is a pretty poor indicator of how intelligent you have to be to get a certain grade in a degree.

How many times did I mention the word 'intelligence'? 0

The point I make is that not all degrees of the same class are equivalent, or necessarily even close.

[M1011]

(Original post by Jammy111)
People will always be ill and will always need a doctor.

While I am by no means denying your sentiment (medic degree = employed), what on earth does this sentence mean? People will always need a lot of things, that doesn't magically guarantee employment in those fields. Medical degrees are highly restricted, that's why graduates are so highly employable.

[Kenocide]

(Original post by aftrglw)
Haha, I see what you're saying. Unfortunately though, a degree is not a job ticket by itself. In my experience, your ability to get a job after uni ultimately depends on two things: how well you sell yourself and networking. A tightly crafted resume that highlights your skills and how they're perfect for the job at hand will do wonders. Your degree is only as good as you can sell it to be to potential employers.

The only degrees that I think lead more or less directly into jobs are degrees in accounting/finance, engineering or most of the 'real' sciences. But who wants to do those jobs anyways?

Oh yeah absolutely, by no means do I expect any degree to entitle anyone to a job automatically.

I was just trying to say that out of the significant numbers of unemployed graduates out there, I reckon a fair few of them must be the kind of people I was talking about earlier - did no work on their degree, didn't even need to, got a 2:1, had a doss for 3 years and now can't find a job. If that is the case, then out of all graduates those are the people who most deserve to be in that position.

And I kind of hope it is like that. I hope that, whilst as you rightly say a degree =/= a job, employers do rightly distinguish between difficult/worthwhile degrees and the rest (so far as they can reasonably be expected to do so - obviously it is difficult).

[M1011]

(Original post by Kenocide)
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In my experience where you get your degree is more important then what the degree actually is.

[fletchdd02]

(Original post by roh)
Yes, but blowing 237k on medical students you don't need seems a bit daft.
If they over train by double, so 20,000 rather than 10,000 (ish), they'll be paying 237,000,000 pounds per cohort more than they need to.

Given the NHS employs the vast majority of Doctors in the UK why not just cut salaries if they want to? After all Hippocratic oath means Doctors can't really go on strike. Theoretically it's very easy, if they cut all Junior Doctors salaries to 12k tomorrow there's not much they can do about it, they're only trained for one job and there's only one employer.

Politically however Doctors' salaries are close to untouchable as doctors are so popular (contrast to legal aid which they can, and have, slash and burn as they like because nobody really likes lawyers).

Also, the NHS is competing for the best of a very particular type of person (driven, willing to put in long hours, excellent results throughout education, scientific skill set etc.), earlier on in the process than 24-25, with companies offering much bigger salaries. For example if you have a hatful of A*s at GCSE, 4 As at AS in sciencey subjects and are willing to go through 15th Oct deadline and an interview, if you want money why not do a science at Oxbridge and go off to an FO IB job where you'll make a fortune?

237,000,000 is nothing compared to the long term saving on wages and in comparison to the billions pounds worth of debt we have.

The reason people don't go into IB is because it's much harder than medicine to get a job at the end, that's the only reason.

[Kenocide]

(Original post by M1011)
In my experience where you get your degree is more important then what the degree actually is.

Rightly so, surely?

You can't seriously think that two people who do 'the same' degree at different unis, one which required AAA at A level and one which required CCC, are the same and should thus be treated as equally qualified if they both graduated with a 2:1?

It is surely a mixture of course, classification AND university that should indicate the worth of a degree.

[M1011]

(Original post by Kenocide)
Rightly so, surely?

You can't seriously think that two people who do 'the same' degree at different unis, one which required AAA at A level and one which required CCC, are the same and should thus be treated as equally qualified if they both graduated with a 2:1?

It is surely a mixture of course, classification AND university that should indicate the worth of a degree.

Oh no doubt the University should matter. My point was that in my experience employers are interested in your classification (2:1 or above) and your institution. While I'm sure having say a Law degree helps if you're looking for a law position, for the vast majority of graduate schemes it makes little difference whether it's Law, English or History etc. The degree just gets you past the auto filters, past that it's all about soft skills, aptitude and experience.

I totally agree with you that all degrees should not be treated equally, but that's just the way it is I'm afraid.