Why do people still insist Chelsea is not a big club?
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Why do people still insist Chelsea is not a big club?They are now the 5th most succesful English club. Perhaps soon the 4th, as the prospects of Chelsea's next trophy are higher than Villa's (****, Villa could go down next season if things don't improve).
But more to the point (or more accurately the point I truly want to make), how can people say Chelsea is not a bigger club than Tottenham?
Twenty years ago, granted, Spurs were bigger. But Chelsea has:
- More trophies in total
- A larger international name, brand and fanbase (how many foreigners in their home countries wear Spurs shirts? lol.. few, if any)
- More money
- A Champions League, something Spurs have only ever been in twice in their history (including the old European Cup)
Somebody will say "oh, it's cos of money they got there innit". Well, yes, money has helped. But in reality which successful team doesn't use money to advance itself? And Chelsea fans are gloryhunters? Do all Tottenham fans who've ever lived, or may live, come from Edmonton or Wood Green? lol... Like most successful clubs, Spurs' Billy Nick era brought a lot of nationally-based fans, same with Liverpool in the 70s/80s, and United under Fergie.
I would concede that in the London/southern England hierarchy, Arsenal MAY be higher than Chelsea, but Chelsea is surely higher than Spurs now on most significant counts.
This is tl;dr, I would grant. To suffice, as Chelsea has more tradition, it surely is a bigger club than Spurs is now.
And to add, Chelsea may be a new big club, but so what? Was United a big club from foundation, or is it largely to the Busby era? Or Arsenal to the Chapman era? Or Liverpool to the Shankly era? Or Celtic to the nine in a row/Lisbon Lions era? the point being ALL big clubs did/achieved something to be as such.Last edited by sao desi; 28-05-2012 at 00:33. -
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Re: Why do people still insist Chelsea is not a big club?Seems like you're looking for arguments. Why even make a thread about this, obviously Chelsea are a big club but people have banter and they didn't do great this season(Regarding League position)
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Re: Why do people still insist Chelsea is not a big club?You can't pin all of Arsenal's success on something that happened 80 years ago, that's simply ludicrous.
If that were the case, teams like Huddersfield would still be tearing it up in the top-flight.
I don't think anyone can say Chelsea aren't a big club, and they certainly have the financial capabilities to remain as such. -
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Re: Why do people still insist Chelsea is not a big club?Because of Abramovich/Mansour 'oil money' men. Yes City and Chelsea are big, successful clubs but would they be without their billionaire owners? Probably not.
I acknowledge them but don't have the same respect for City & Chelsea as I do for say Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. -
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Re: Why do people still insist Chelsea is not a big club?Yes they would because they would probably still have a rich owner. Not all big clubs have owners like them(Original post by sleep99)
but would they be without their billionaire ownersl. -
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Re: Why do people still insist Chelsea is not a big club?How so? When most Arsenal fans acknowledge it was the Chapman era that made them a big club?(Original post by marcusmerehay)
You can't pin all of Arsenal's success on something that happened 80 years ago, that's simply ludicrous.
They didn't have the same impact as Chapman's Arsenal.If that were the case, teams like Huddersfield would still be tearing it up in the top-flight.
Apologetics, eh?I don't think anyone can say Chelsea aren't a big club, and they certainly have the financial capabilities to remain as such. -
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Re: Why do people still insist Chelsea is not a big club?Who's that in your sig (the gif)?(Original post by murpo)
Seems like you're looking for arguments. Why even make a thread about this, obviously Chelsea are a big club but people have banter and they didn't do great this season(Regarding League position) -
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Re: Why do people still insist Chelsea is not a big club?daisy lowe(Original post by CB91)
Who's that in your sig (the gif)?
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Re: Why do people still insist Chelsea is not a big club?Meh, I've never heard anyone claim that Spurs are a bigger club than Chelsea.
What grates me though is when people suddenly reckon that Man City are one of the top 4 biggest clubs in the country because of their success in the last couple of seasons.
City's owners could have put any of around 30 clubs into the same position; City just got lucky.
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Re: Why do people still insist Chelsea is not a big club?Of course the Chapman era first exposed us to greatness, but there have been a number of bad patches in the club's history - we didn't win a trophy between 1953 and 1969, in a pit of mediocrity even under Billy Wright. It wasn't until the title-winning seasons of 70-71 and then again in 97-98 that we really established ourselves.(Original post by sao desi)
How so? When most Arsenal fans acknowledge it was the Chapman era that made them a big club?
They didn't have the same impact as Chapman's Arsenal.
The Huddersfield team of the late Twenties still managed three successive league titles, which only three other teams can match, as well as an FA Cup.Last edited by marcusmerehay; 28-05-2012 at 00:59. -
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Re: Why do people still insist Chelsea is not a big club?Why aren't they bigger than Spurs?(Original post by scriggy)
Meh, I've never heard anyone claim that Chelsea are a bigger club than Spurs.
What grates me though is when people suddenly reckon that Man City are one of the top 4 biggest clubs in the country because of their success in the last couple of seasons. City's owners could have put any of around 30 clubs into the same position; City just got lucky.
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Re: Why do people still insist Chelsea is not a big club?Chelsea like 1000x bigger than spurs so that can't be a debate(Original post by sao desi)
Why aren't they bigger than Spurs?
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Re: Why do people still insist Chelsea is not a big club?Chelsea fans are ****(Original post by TRS-T)
Because your local fanbase is not that big?
Yes you have lots of fans in Hong Kong but could you fill a 60k stadium in West London? -
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Re: Why do people still insist Chelsea is not a big club?Chelsea winning the champions league means sweet fa, i really think luck played a big part in your success this season. I personally don't see you winning the champions league again any time soon, unless you get some good investment, nomsayin?
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Re: Why do people still insist Chelsea is not a big club?Luck did play a big part but you can't say they are not a big club. They do have good investment(Original post by WheresWally)
Chelsea winning the champions league means sweet fa, i really think luck played a big part in your success this season. I personally don't see you winning the champions league again any time soon, unless you get some good investment, nomsayin?
