Is there a major gap between Law school in the UK or something, I'm a bit confused?
University course discussion for law.
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Re: Is there a major gap between Law school in the UK or something, I'm a bit confuseLaw doesn't require higher education. Not just in theory, but in fact.(Original post by ArcaneAnna)
Law is debatable, however I'd say that it is acadcemic and does require higher, university education. Medicine definitley does, in order to continute onto clinic you need to have baseline knowledge that is aquired throught good old lectures. Plus it's a bit of a risk letting complete novices learn on a live human body, while apprenticeships, such as graphics, there is no danger in learning as you go along and making mistakes which are easily ammendable.
Actually, I think that History, Literature, Philosophy and even Music and Fine art are traditional and should be kept on at universities.
The degrees that I'd put under mickey-mouse would be; product design, media studies, equestrian handling fashion or photography and others of similar category.
Maybe even calling these mickey-mouse degrees is a little harsh, but they should not be available at university.
Isn't medicine already taught by PBL at a fair number of med schools? Why not just teach PBL, which is in smaller groups anyway, at hospitals from the start and gradually phase in using real people as you go through the apprenticeship? I'm not saying you should, just that it's not infeasible.
Absolutely, there's definitely an argument that knowledge learned purely for the sake of knowing is the purest, most enjoyable type and often becomes applicable down the line in ways we couldn't imagine at the time.
Admittedly you can't kill people, but you can still lose a s***load of money by doing something wrong.
Personally, I just don't think we should disparage something people enjoy doing and which can turn out useful and applicable. For example my mate did Sports Science at an ex-poly, he took some ribbing admittedly, but he gets really good grades, is doing a PhD and when he's finished the knowledge he'll have (if the PhD research goes to plan) will be incredibly valuable to sports teams in impact sports (rugby, American football, etc.). He'll be set for life as a consultant from a degree which would probably fall into your category.
As it happens the current expansionism of the RG, the eventual outcome of which is currently unclear, may lead to a new 'Uni and Poly' style system with RG as a sort of kitemark of excellence.Last edited by roh; 30-05-2012 at 20:38. -
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Re: Is there a major gap between Law school in the UK or something, I'm a bit confuse(Original post by nulli tertius)
A lot of people at all places get 2:2s or below in law. It is 39% at Nottingham.Fewer people get 2.1s at bad universities, since the quality of applicants is lower. The issue is not that they should all get 2.1s instead but that a lot of them should not be given the false impression that it's anything more than a coin flip whether they'll actually get to work as a lawyer in exchange for their £27,000.(Original post by roh)
As they do at other places as NT points out. And if everyone got a 2:1 what would be the worth to employers of using it as a filtering tool? They'd just find another way to cut out applications. -
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Re: Is there a major gap between Law school in the UK or something, I'm a bit confuseAnd until 1999 (1993 in Scotland) there was absolutely no need for doctors to have a university degree.(Original post by ArcaneAnna)
There is absolutley no need for accounting, media/film/theatre studies, graphics design & many more to be a universtity degree -
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Re: Is there a major gap between Law school in the UK or something, I'm a bit confuseI agree with that. Sadly it's a bit of a Catch 22. The people best placed to inform prospective students of the odds regarding becoming a lawyer would be the universities on Open Days, however this would be turkeys voting for Xmas and is never going to happen.(Original post by DynamicSyngery)
Fewer people get 2.1s at bad universities, since the quality of applicants is lower. The issue is not that they should all get 2.1s instead but that a lot of them should not be given the false impression that it's anything more than a coin flip whether they'll actually get to work as a lawyer in exchange for their £27,000. -
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Re: Is there a major gap between Law school in the UK or something, I'm a bit confuseimo the main culprits are teachers and politicians, who strongly push university as an inherent good despite having little idea how real jobs work. Most people would seriously investigate any other good of service that they might pay £27,000 for, especially one promising a fantastic return, but the popular belief is that with university one cannot go wrong.(Original post by roh)
I agree with that. Sadly it's a bit of a Catch 22. The people best placed to inform prospective students of the odds regarding becoming a lawyer would be the universities on Open Days, however this would be turkeys voting for Xmas and is never going to happen.
