Protestor hijacks Leverson inquiry, calls Tony Blair a 'war criminal'
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Re: Protestor hijacks Leverson inquiry, calls Tony Blair a 'war criminal'Blair thinks about this everyday ... every day, sat at home in a dark room high on PCP, rubbing offel over his middle aged gut whilst masterbating to pictures of dead Iraqi kids with their intestines hanging out leaving a visceral trail.
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Re: Protestor hijacks Leverson inquiry, calls Tony Blair a 'war criminal'Th thud he made as the security guards tackled him to the ground was hilarious. And I have to give it to him just for making it into the room, I bet the security team got a rollocking for that one.
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Re: Protestor hijacks Leverson inquiry, calls Tony Blair a 'war criminal'You're essentially arguing in favour of vigilantism, except sending other people to risk their lives instead of risking their own.(Original post by Cannotbelieveit)
Fair enough, there is that argument.
But can you not also say that Blair and Bush successfully ousted an evil dictator and installed democracy into Iraq? -
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Re: Protestor hijacks Leverson inquiry, calls Tony Blair a 'war criminal'Technically yes, since all wars need to be OK'd by the UN Security Council. Unless in immediate defence, this goes against Article 27 of the UN Charter and is therefore illegal.(Original post by Cannotbelieveit)
How is Blair a War Criminal?
Wars happen all the time, does that mean that every leader who goes to war is a criminal? Plus, Coalition Forces in Iraq only a killed a fraction of the total number of civilian deaths, most were from the ensuing Civil War.
You can't compare the two as international legislation (that the US and UK have signed) has greatly evolved since then. You can't claim that something was a crime before the laws against it were in place: it's called the retroactivity of the law.(Original post by Cannotbelieveit)
So with that statement I'm assuming you think that Britain and France should not have gone to war with Germany in 1939?
Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, I believe that war is necessary in some cases.
I do agree that war is necessary in certain cases though. The NATO intervention in former Yugoslavia, for example, proves that force achieves what peaceful negociations aren't always able to. -
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Re: Protestor hijacks Leverson inquiry, calls Tony Blair a 'war criminal'You could get a horror story published with that imagination of yours(Original post by prog2djent)
Blair thinks about this everyday ... every day, sat at home in a dark room high on PCP, rubbing offel over his middle aged gut whilst masterbating to pictures of dead Iraqi kids with their intestines hanging out leaving a visceral trail.
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Re: Protestor hijacks Leverson inquiry, calls Tony Blair a 'war criminal'Surely you're not trying to justify the deaths of innocent civilians in the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, by claiming less died under Blair/Bush' actions and therefore there isn't anything wrong with it?(Original post by Elipsis)
Well almost all the deaths there were thanks to Islamists and sectarian violence. Plus less people died than died on average per year under Saddam. Food for thought when you try and blame Blair for all the problems caused by Islam and a despot dictator really.
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Re: Protestor hijacks Leverson inquiry, calls Tony Blair a 'war criminal'No, what i'm saying is that if we had left Saddam the killing never would have stopped. It could have gone on for many more generations, given that his sons are even bigger psychopaths than him. At least after those deaths Iraq might finally be able to stop seeing such attrocities...(Original post by getfunky!)
Surely you're not trying to justify the deaths of innocent civilians in the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, by claiming less died under Blair/Bush' actions and therefore there isn't anything wrong with it?
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Re: Protestor hijacks Leverson inquiry, calls Tony Blair a 'war criminal'It doesn't really help when you have people blowing up themselves and innocent compatriots for insignificant reasons.(Original post by Elipsis)
Well almost all the deaths there were thanks to Islamists and sectarian violence. Plus less people died than died on average per year under Saddam. Food for thought when you try and blame Blair for all the problems caused by Islam and a despot dictator really. -
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Re: Protestor hijacks Leverson inquiry, calls Tony Blair a 'war criminal'Not entirely true. There is a strong legal precedent for humanitarian intervention, and countries who have ratified the Genocide Convention are legally-bound to do all they can to stop genocides whilst they are taking place.(Original post by xmarilynx)
Technically yes, since all wars need to be OK'd by the UN Security Council. Unless in immediate defence, this goes against Article 27 of the UN Charter and is therefore illegal. -
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Re: Protestor hijacks Leverson inquiry, calls Tony Blair a 'war criminal'If this was the case, humanitarian intervention in Israel is long overdue.(Original post by Rhadamanthus)
Not entirely true. There is a strong legal precedent for humanitarian intervention, and countries who have ratified the Genocide Convention are legally-bound to do all they can to stop genocides whilst they are taking place. -
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Re: Protestor hijacks Leverson inquiry, calls Tony Blair a 'war criminal'If you think what is happening in Palestine is a genocide then you are bastardising the meaning of the word and insulting the millions who have died in actual genocides that have gone unpunished.(Original post by ak137)
If this was the case, humanitarian intervention in Israel is long overdue. -
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Re: Protestor hijacks Leverson inquiry, calls Tony Blair a 'war criminal'Palestinians would disagree. We will clense Israel of the Zionist cancer.(Original post by Rhadamanthus)
If you think what is happening in Palestine is a genocide then you are bastardising the meaning of the word and insulting the millions who have died in actual genocides that have gone unpunished. -
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Re: Protestor hijacks Leverson inquiry, calls Tony Blair a 'war criminal'Of course some may disagree, but asking them to be the impartial arbiter of Israel's actions is as reasonable a suggestion as saying "I want to know if Israel has a right to the West Bank, let's go and as those agreeable looking settler fellows what they think."(Original post by ak137)
Palestinians would disagree. We will clense Israel of the Zionist cancer.
Words like genocide are not to be thrown about lightly. Rarely do genocides take place in the modern age, and in the cases where they have in Sudan, Bosnia and Rwanda, the international community has failed to act. But not one single scholar of international law - not one legal body - considers Israel's actions to be genocidal. Disproportionate, yes; illegal, often - but it goes no further. -
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Re: Protestor hijacks Leverson inquiry, calls Tony Blair a 'war criminal'Tbh, if he was an African or Arab leader he would be heading for the Hague along with his mate Bush. It doesn't matter why we are in the Middle East now or what we hope to achieve. Whether you are pro-war, anti-war, support the troops or whatever, its clear his motives for sending us there were corrupt, and he lied to millions to achieve his goals justifying it on evidence he knew was false which led the the deaths of hundred of thousands of people.
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Re: Protestor hijacks Leverson inquiry, calls Tony Blair a 'war criminal'Cast Lead. You're memory is short.(Original post by Rhadamanthus)
Of course some may disagree, but asking them to be the impartial arbiter of Israel's actions is as reasonable a suggestion as saying "I want to know if Israel has a right to the West Bank, let's go and as those agreeable looking settler fellows what they think."
Words like genocide are not to be thrown about lightly. Rarely do genocides take place in the modern age, and in the cases where they have in Sudan, Bosnia and Rwanda, the international community has failed to act. But not one single scholar of international law - not one legal body - considers Israel's actions to be genocidal. Disproportionate, yes; illegal, often - but it goes no further. -
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Re: Protestor hijacks Leverson inquiry, calls Tony Blair a 'war criminal'And the international community responded by saying Israel's actions were disproportionate. Some said Israel acted illegally. Find me one UN body, established scholar of international law or respectable NGO that used the term 'genocide' and I will personally fund your next sub. The killing of 1,300 people, half of whom were legally regarded as combatants, does not constitute anything more than what the UN said it was at the time. It's interesting you spend so much time focusing on Israel. The Assad regime has killed 11,000 people since last year. That's half the number of Palestinians killed by Israel in 64 years. Yet you're strangely silent.(Original post by ak137)
Cast Lead. You're memory is short.Last edited by Rhadamanthus; 28-05-2012 at 21:18. -
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Re: Protestor hijacks Leverson inquiry, calls Tony Blair a 'war criminal'I dont want your money, the UN is a farce, we all know it. UN has zero credibility when it comes to Israel, especially when it comes to Israel.(Original post by Rhadamanthus)
And the international community responded by saying Israel's actions were disproportionate. Some said Israel acted illegally. Find me one UN body, established scholar of international law or respectable NGO that used the term 'genocide' and I will personally fund your next sub. The killing of 1,300 people, half of whom were legally regarded as combatants, does not constitute anything more than what the UN said it was at the time. It's interesting you spend so much time focusing on Israel. The Assad regime has killed 11,000 people since last year. That's half the number of Palestinians killed by Israel in 64 years. Yet you're strangely silent.
You can justify it all you want, but one day, you will look back and see that you're standing on the wrong side of history.
Typical Zionist deflecting criticism of Israel to Syria. If you bothered to look at the UN reports, it shows government forces, pro government civilians also make up the 11,000.
(This is my last response in this thread as its being taken off topic + I have no time since its exam season.)
