[noobynoo]

I would imagine almost 100% of women soldiers who get captured by the enemy are raped. I suppose that this would also happen to men too.

It makes more sense that men join the army since even if half the male population is killed every man left can take on two wives and according to survival of the fittest the population would even improve. That's how human beings got to evolve so much... probably.

[Annoying-Mouse]

(Original post by kingsarecool)
what is the chief mufti's name? how do you know his interpretation is legit.
God does not force women to wear their face.

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/20910

(Original post by Hopple)
There's a lot of sense behind that actually, though it could be possible to avert it by having men and women kept separate. Soldiers are trained to be happy killing, what's rape to them, given that they felt (and maybe even did) similarly just in college? They're trained to be able to dehumanise people into 'targets' or 'hostiles', it's a necessary evil if you claim the army being in combat is necessary.

Rape and killing isn't the same. Soldiers aren't trained to be happy killings. They're trained to kill enemy combatants. They're most likely trained with psuedo-enemy and psuedo-civilians to see their accuracy skills. When a solider shoots, they shoot with the intent that the person was either dangerous or a harm to them/their partners/civilians. They don't just randomly shoot with no regards to life. They aren't psychopaths/sociopaths. When you're raping, you know a) the person is innocent, b) you have to actively force yourself on them and c) they're your own team mates, the army tries to create a cohesive structure otherwise it would fall apart.

Plus, the huge numbers of PTSD shows that they aren't very good at dehumanizing people.

(Original post by DontJudge)
What has wearing a piece of cloth have to do with men not being able to control their sexual desires?

Because women are told to wear piece of cloth due to men not being able to control their sexual desires?

[J_asper]

(Original post by noobynoo)
I would imagine almost 100% of women soldiers who get captured by the enemy are raped. I suppose that this would also happen to men too.

It makes more sense that men join the army since even if half the male population is killed every man left can take on two wives and according to survival of the fittest the population would even improve. That's how human beings got to evolve so much... probably.

So women cant join the army, because if everyone dies, the population wont improve? thats a very small chance of happening. Im pretty sure every man wont take two wives and be able to have loads of kids... partially because of disease, genetics and medical reasons. secondly, because im pretty sure that half of the population wont die in a war before we either surrender, or win it.

but your first bit, i completely agree with. In no way is this limited to women

[silent ninja]

(Original post by J_asper)
Sorry, but this is not limited to the american forces. Lets not get stupid here and start blaming America for the worlds problem of rape. Of course, this horrible thing will happen to women and it is horrible how the soldiers take trophy photos, but lets be realistic. You are sending human beings into battle, (an incredibly shocking and scarring experience that I hope never to endure) to kill (an act against their moral and genetic code) men that they know are most likely in the same position that they are in. You put these men in horrible conditions, surrounded by death and disease and you make a hissy fit when they start going back to their prehistoric urges of dominance in the form of trophies? this stuff has been going on for years. These men and women go through a lot and all though its upsetting and disgusting that they do so, I expect little to change, all considered.

and in reference to the debate, although Im sure a lot of you are gasping at the one in three statistic, I am almost 100% sure that the statistic of actual rape in the military is minute in comparison.

You're making excuses.
Humans are distinct from animals due to their intellect. We have a conscience. Trained killers have a conscience, also they are called 'professionals' for a reason. It's not a license to turn in to animals that violate other people and their property for fun. Even in war, people have basic human rights if they are captured. Soldiers are not trained to kill civilians either.

And the American army has a severe problem with sexual assault and rape. There have been many, many articles about this over the last few decades. It's a cultural thing.

[ChocoCoatedLemons]

(Original post by kingsarecool)
Look.. there are certain jobs that women just shouldn't do. Its common sense its unsafe!!
secondly men and women are designed differently the average man is stronger than the average women.(you can look that up)

BTW there are plenty of other jobs out there that women are more then capable of doing.

You know, since it's unsafe, maybe women shouldn't drive cars, or play sports, or leave the house. Your argument is ridiculously invalid.

Since men and women should be equal beings, using your argument, no one should ever be in the army because it's unsafe.

[claireg172]

(Original post by TheHansa)
If 1-in-3 of their comrades get sexually assaulted what must happen to the women under American occupation?


That's part of why women shouldn't be put on the front line.

So instead of teaching men who a supposedly responsible government have put in a position of power and authority how to respect women and punish rapists, it would be better to make women unemployed, unequal and under-represented showing the countries which the allies are trying to help bring about human rights and equality that the US are no different in terms of how they treat women they're just better at keeping it quite. Women on the front line aren't the problem, the problem is a lack of respect for said women.

[NB_ide]

(Original post by dgeorge)
I would love to see that ACTUAL study and the specifics before I make a comment on this.

However, I must take the time to note that 1 in 3 women being RAPED (which is what this thread and other related threads report it as) and 1 in 3 women being SEXUALLY ASSAULTED (which is what the report *actually* apparently says) are two totally and completely different things.

"sexual assault" includes absolutely anything these days, from a slap on the arse upwards.

[NB_ide]

(Original post by ChocoCoatedLemons)
Since men and women are equal beings, using your argument, no one should ever be in the army because it's unsafe.

I feel everso sorry for anyone who says this.

[Annoying-Mouse]

(Original post by silent ninja)
You're making excuses.
Humans are distinct from animals due to their intellect. We have a conscience. Trained killers have a conscience, also they are called 'professionals' for a reason. It's not a license to turn in to animals that violate other people and their property for fun. Even in war, people have basic human rights if they are captured. Soldiers are not trained to kill civilians either.

And the American army has a severe problem with sexual assault and rape. There have been many, many articles about this over the last few decades. It's a cultural thing.

No, it isn't. It's a practice that's been going on for thousands upon thousands of years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_rape

America has a problem with rape/sexual assault in the same way Britain has a problem with rape/sexual assault. Even though there's many occurring, it isn't something that can be easily fixed. After all, it's not like people don't know that rape is wrong and shouldn't do it. And you can't screen for possible rapist.

And you're overestimating human's intellect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases Look at all the cognitive biases that can effect our decision making. And concepts like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deindividuation.

[ChocoCoatedLemons]

(Original post by NB_ide)
I feel everso sorry for anyone who says this.

Okay, I'll rephrase. Should be equal beings.

Happy?

[TheHansa]

(Original post by NB_ide)
"sexual assault" includes absolutely anything these days, from a slap on the arse upwards.

as opposed to a slap on the arse downwards?

[NB_ide]

(Original post by ChocoCoatedLemons)
Okay, I'll rephrase. Should be equal beings.

Happy?

I still don't know what you mean.

Do you?

[NB_ide]

(Original post by TheHansa)
as opposed to a slap on the arse downwards?

That's definitely rape

[daniellelouise]

(Original post by Dalek1099)
Why have you said this?-this is prejudiced against women,who can shoot a gun just as well as men and may possibly have more strategy than men because they are more clever than men.Women shouldn't stop going to the army,just because they might be raped?and they should be stronger than that because nothing should stop you,frtom getting the career you want.

I honestly dont understand why this has had so many negs?
Obviously rape would be seen as a reason not to join the army,
but why should it be?
Something should be done about the male soldiers who do the raping, females most certainly should not be dissuaded from joining the army.

[Hopple]

(Original post by DontJudge)
I didn't twist your words, I misunderstood, because guess what, humans make mistakes.
It is societies construct to see killing someone purposely or accidently, as abnormal. Throughout training/in practice they have been desensitised, as by now, they will have witnessed many deaths. Just like how a hospital doctor/operator will witness many deaths, and will be used to of seeing this. But they will not be considered as ‘messed up in the head’.

That may be correct to a certain extent. As the campus does not teach them to be dehumanising of their collegues and in those ways. So the fact that you are saying they have been ‘conditioned’ to do so, are just one of the justifications/excuses of rape, therefore reinforcing patriarchy.

Doctors aren't the ones doing the killing, so that comparison doesn't hold. And no, again you've misunderstood - I am not justifying or excusing rape, I'm pointing out why it happens, and to a greater degree than in a civilian population.

(Original post by Annoying-Mouse)

Rape and killing isn't the same. Soldiers aren't trained to be happy killings. They're trained to kill enemy combatants. They're most likely trained with psuedo-enemy and psuedo-civilians to see their accuracy skills. When a solider shoots, they shoot with the intent that the person was either dangerous or a harm to them/their partners/civilians. They don't just randomly shoot with no regards to life. They aren't psychopaths/sociopaths. When you're raping, you know a) the person is innocent, b) you have to actively force yourself on them and c) they're your own team mates, the army tries to create a cohesive structure otherwise it would fall apart.

Plus, the huge numbers of PTSD shows that they aren't very good at dehumanizing people.

They're trained to not hesitate to shoot, and to be okay enough afterwards that they'll do it again without hesitating. You don't do that by seeing whoever you shoot as a person with a life, a home, a family. a) is irrelevant if you dehumanise the woman b) is no barrier c) is just proof that the units aren't a tight as they should be.

And ok, not everyone is capable of dehumanising others to a great enough extent. I imagine any voluntary army has a higher proportion of sociopaths than the national average too.

[ChocoCoatedLemons]

(Original post by NB_ide)
I still don't know what you mean.

Do you?

Yes. That's why I said it.

I don't understand what you find difficult about this. Let me try once more.

Men.
And.
Women.
Should.
Be.
Equal.

[TheHansa]

(Original post by claireg172)
So instead of teaching men who a supposedly responsible government have put in a position of power and authority how to respect women and punish rapists, it would be better to make women unemployed, unequal and under-represented showing the countries which the allies are trying to help bring about human rights and equality that the US are no different in terms of how they treat women they're just better at keeping it quite. Women on the front line aren't the problem, the problem is a lack of respect for said women.

Like I said it's not the only reason, but if you're spending lots of time in a socially conservative country where prostitution levels are low and there is very little space for them having a short term relationship with one of the local girls, what will men do? there is lots of rape in US prisons, you can't talk people out of their sexuality, perhaps the army should pay for professional prostitutes (just a suggestion). Whilst I am in favour of the troops in general, just against the wars in the ME I think it ironic that you talk of human rights and tolerance considering what the troops are there for.

[NB_ide]

(Original post by ChocoCoatedLemons)
Men.
And.
Women.
Should.
Be.
Equal.

That 6th word, can you explain what it means here?

[ChocoCoatedLemons]

(Original post by NB_ide)
That 6th word, can you explain what it means here?

I'm not going to be patronised. Get a dictionary.

[NDGAARONDI]

(Original post by Flyteryder)
Your sources are from Wikipedia and The Daily Mail, therefore your argument has no credibility since you've just done a google and pulled out the most unreliable sources ever.

Do you expect him/her to cite the British Journal of Criminology given that access is restricted to those with a subscription?