Insight learning MS or textbook
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Re: Insight learning MS or textbookfollow the mark scheme it is what the examiners need!(Original post by The Illuminati)
textbook says insight learning does not require repeated trial and error. MS (Mammaliamn physiology and behaviour-2805/05- Jan 2009) says that it does require trial and error.
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Re: Insight learning MS or textbookWhat? I'm sure it doesn't...(Original post by Jhyzone)
follow the mark scheme it is what the examiners need!
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Re: Insight learning MS or textbookThe details of the chimps' solutions to Kohler's food-gathering puzzle varied. One chimp tried to shinny up a toppling pole it had poised under the bananas; several succeeded by stacking crates underneath, but were hampered by difficulties in getting their centers of gravity right. Another chimp had good luck moving a crate under the bananas and using a pole to knock them down. The theme common to each of these attempts is that, to all appearances, the chimps were solving the problem by a kind of cognitive trial and error, as if they were experimenting in their minds before manipulating the tools. The pattern of these behaviors--failure, pause, looking at the potential tools, and then the attempt--would seem to involve insight and planning, at least on the first occasion.(Original post by iammichealjackson)
What? I'm sure it doesn't...
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Re: Insight learning MS or textbookIm not an expert, even though i really should be because i am a first year uni biological anthropologist/psychologist. Trial and error learning usually reffers to a the "behaviourist" definition, i.e. learning through the consequences of behaviour. Insight learning is cognitive, and "cognitive insight learning" is just a confusing way to describe insight learning through congitive means.(Original post by Jhyzone)
The details of the chimps' solutions to Kohler's food-gathering puzzle varied. One chimp tried to shinny up a toppling pole it had poised under the bananas; several succeeded by stacking crates underneath, but were hampered by difficulties in getting their centers of gravity right. Another chimp had good luck moving a crate under the bananas and using a pole to knock them down. The theme common to each of these attempts is that, to all appearances, the chimps were solving the problem by a kind of cognitive trial and error, as if they were experimenting in their minds before manipulating the tools. The pattern of these behaviors--failure, pause, looking at the potential tools, and then the attempt--would seem to involve insight and planning, at least on the first occasion.
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Re: Insight learning MS or textbookInsight learning, as i understand it, "thinking" or "insight" (i doubt you have to go into what cognitive mechanisms are used).(Original post by The Illuminati)
So it requires cognitive trial and error?
Trial and error learning requires reinforcement of a behaviour.
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Re: Insight learning MS or textbook(Original post by The Illuminati)
So it requires cognitive trial and error?
IMHO, just follow what the mark scheme says. Mark scheme is written by biology teachers with degrees, masters and PhD in their field and should therefore know the answer they want.
A level is a game if it's not in the mark scheme you don't get a mark. Simple as. -
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Re: Insight learning MS or textbookI usually go by the MS but sometimes the answer seems illogical. for example in describing learned behaviour one MS has 'learnt by experience' and wouldn't accept learned, learnt and learned mean the exact same thing, it's just an alternate spelling. Even if leaned is the American version and learned is the English version, you shouldn't accept one and not the other when the meanings are the same...(Original post by Jhyzone)
IMHO, just follow what the mark scheme says. Mark scheme is written by biology teachers with degrees, masters and PhD in their field and should therefore know the answer they want.
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Re: Insight learning MS or textbookMy supervisor agress with me (at least he didn't say i was wrong in my essay, and he always corrects me). I would assume he's right (he's a pretty renowned primatologist)(Original post by Jhyzone)
IMHO, just follow what the mark scheme says. Mark scheme is written by biology teachers with degrees, masters and PhD in their field and should therefore know the answer they want.
A level is a game if it's not in the mark scheme you don't get a mark. Simple as.
