Catholic church excommunicates 9yr old's mother and doctors – but not accused rapist
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Catholic church excommunicates 9yr old's mother and doctors – but not accused rapistNice to see the Catholic church have updated their policies on child abuse...
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Re: Catholic church excommunicates 9yr old's mother and doctors – but not accused rapWow... Honestly don't know how they could do such a thing... especially at a time when religious faith might have a part to play in providing solace to the victim and their family, rather than making them feel worse... purely idiotic that the thing was brought in in the first place, let alone that it was defended by such a senior figure.
As a matter of interest, does "excommunication" mean the same in the modern sense as it did back in the medieval period? Essentially that you were "out" of the Catholic church, not allowed communion or whatever? If so then that makes it doubly worse.
I think it is also interesting that the regional bishop/catholic leader, whilst condemning the crime, thought that abortion was a more serious - this is a 9 year old, religious dogma carries importance yes, and to an extent, the catholic church should stand up for what it believes in, but in cases like this, where the victim is a child, and would probably die if the pregnancy was carried through, dogma makes the church seem heartless and plan outright stupid -- it's stuff like this which'll be the death of organised religion.
On the other hand (I always try to be fair see) I think it would be wrong to excommunicate the suspected rapist before he had been convicted. And even if they did, it then sets a precedent whereby the catholic church would have to excommunicate every single rapist it has within it's 1 billion followers... a logistical nightmare.Last edited by TheHistoryStudent; 29-05-2012 at 11:40. -
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Re: Catholic church excommunicates 9yr old's mother and doctors – but not accused rapI pride myself in being mostly mature and eloquent when presenting my opinions. However it this case the only response that seems appropriate is **** the Catholic Church and **** the Pope.
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Re: Catholic church excommunicates 9yr old's mother and doctors – but not accused rapThings like this make me ashamed to be a Catholic, I don't practice it by any means, but the fact the church can be so cruel really does fill me with shame.
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Re: Catholic church excommunicates 9yr old's mother and doctors – but not accused rapI am Roman Catholic, but this is an absolute disgrace! Abortion is wrong in almost every case, but a life-saving abortion for a raped nine year-old girl? That, to me, is a legitimate reason for an abortion and I should think many Catholics agree!
Edit: Someone negged me for saying that being excommunicated for wanting your child to have a life-saving abortion is a disgrace? Are you insane?Last edited by HeyyImRyan; 29-05-2012 at 13:39. -
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Re: Catholic church excommunicates 9yr old's mother and doctors – but not accused rapI think it is wrong to excommunicate someone for abortion, clearly, but the fact they didn't excommunicate the suspected rapist is hardly important. For on thing, they haven't been convicted yet have they? Secondly, if they see abortion as murder then it is clearly going to be a greater sin than rape in their view.
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Re: Catholic church excommunicates 9yr old's mother and doctors – but not accused rapIt does'nt surprise me that the Catholic church has done this, after all they covertly defend their priests for paedophilla abuse. I personally do not believe in abortion, but would never condemn anyone who felt the need to have one. This child obviously had to undergo this procedure. The Pope should hang his head in shame, for denying anyone medical treatment just for religious dogma. I suppose the worshippers of Catholicism should also hang their heads in shame, for following him and his outdated Cardinals and bishops.(Original post by cptKernow)
Nice to see the Catholic church have updated their policies on child abuse...
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Re: Catholic church excommunicates 9yr old's mother and doctors – but not accused rapYet again, religion is causing trouble and controvesy. And, as with a lot of Islam, with arranged marriages and cruel punisments, the Catholic church here seems to be living in medieval times. What I cannot understand is why the rapist is still allowed to attend mass; the man is EVIL and if he thinks his soul can be salvaged, he is living in cloud cuckoo-land.
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Re: Catholic church excommunicates 9yr old's mother and doctors – but not accused rapThe Catholic Church was in the right here. No matter the circumstances you cannot excuse the sanctity of life.
As a great man once said, "A person's a person, no matter how small".
Sure her stepfather raped her, but what is more shocking is the fact that these beautiful twins have had their lives taken away from them horribly. It is inexcusable and the Pope has my full support. No matter how cruelly you distort life, it is even worse to take it away. -
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Re: Catholic church excommunicates 9yr old's mother and doctors – but not accused rapIf she had carried them to term, she would have died.(Original post by ronald_mcdonald)
The Catholic Church was in the right here. No matter the circumstances you cannot excuse the sanctity of life.
As a great man once said, "A person's a person, no matter how small".
Sure her stepfather raped her, but what is more shocking is the fact that these beautiful twins have had their lives taken away from them horribly. It is inexcusable and the Pope has my full support. No matter how cruelly you distort life, it is even worse to take it away.
How does that fit into your worldview?
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Re: Catholic church excommunicates 9yr old's mother and doctors – but not accused rapBut that does not change that TWO BEAUTIFUL TWINS HAD THEIR LIVES TAKEN.(Original post by Aphotic Cosmos)
If she had carried them to term, she would have died.
How does that fit into your worldview?
Eugh, religion.
The mother was also 9, which would probably give her an even closer connection to the twins. She could have been both a sister and a mother to the girls. After death of course.
You don't understand the sanctity of life. We have no right over it, no matter the circumstances. You have a sick mind to think we can abort two beautiful twins in order to save a girl.
Deuteronomy 25:11-12
"11 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, 12 you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity." -
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Re: Catholic church excommunicates 9yr old's mother and doctors – but not accused rapI know who has the sick mind here, You are just too sick to realise it.(Original post by ronald_mcdonald)
But that does not change that TWO BEAUTIFUL TWINS HAD THEIR LIVES TAKEN.
The mother was also 9, which would probably give her an even closer connection to the twins. She could have been both a sister and a mother to the girls. After death of course.
You don't understand the sanctity of life. We have no right over it, no matter the circumstances. You have a sick mind to think we can abort two beautiful twins in order to save a girl.
Deuteronomy 25:11-12
"11 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, 12 you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity." -
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Re: Catholic church excommunicates 9yr old's mother and doctors – but not accused rapExactly aljolson, I'm glad that someone agrees with me. We need to stand together and act against people like this "Aphatic Cosmos" who think that murdering babies is okay.(Original post by aljolson)
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Re: Catholic church excommunicates 9yr old's mother and doctors – but not accused rapSurely he wasn't agreeing with you?(Original post by ronald_mcdonald)
Exactly aljolson, I'm glad that someone agrees with me. We need to stand together and act against people like this "Aphatic Cosmos" who think that murdering babies is okay.
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Re: Catholic church excommunicates 9yr old's mother and doctors – but not accused rapWhat a sad world that we live in, where justice has been labelled a "sickness".(Original post by aljolson)
No I was'nt. The sickness in Ronnies head is terminal.
