[Matthew12]

The qu'ran claims to be a kitab mubin(clear book) meaning its contents and meanings are clear to the human audience. If that is the case then why is there Mutashabit ayats( verses that are esoteric in nature) which according to Al-Imran v 7 only God knows the interpretation such as the[I] Arsh verses and the three mysterious letters that many surahs begin with.

So is the Qu'ran from looking at this really a Kitab Mubin?

[tazarooni89]

(Original post by Matthew12)
The qu'ran claims to be a kitab mubin(clear book) meaning its contents and meanings are clear to the human audience. If that is the case then why is there Mutashabit ayats( verses that are esoteric in nature) which according to Al-Imran v 7 only God knows the interpretation such as the[I] Arsh verses and the three mysterious letters that many surahs begin with.

So is the Qu'ran from looking at this really a Kitab Mubin?

"Mutashabihat" does not mean "esoteric".

It refers to the fact that some sentences can give off more than one impression. For example, if I tell you "The cat sat on the mat", I could be talking about a black cat or a brown cat. But it's not for you to insist that it was definitely a black cat, or definitely a brown cat. As far as you're concerned, it's just a cat - never mind what colour it is. That's all I meant to tell you. Only I know which colour cat I was talking about - but it's irrelevant to the message I want to get across.

To put it into an actual Qur'anic example - the Qur'an says that Jesus was not crucified, but it was just made to look like he was crucified.
Now how exactly did that happen? Did they crucify a lookalike? Did they not leave Jesus long enough on the cross for him to die there? Did the people watching all have the same hallucination? Well the reply is - who cares? All you need to know is that something happened which looked like a crucifixion - and that much is stated clearly.


The point is that, one is not supposed to insist that something is a tenet of Islam when it is only potentially endorsed by the Qur'an, rather than definitely endorsed by it.

[ash92:)]

(Original post by tazarooni89)
"Mutashabihat" does not mean "esoteric".

It refers to the fact that some sentences can give off more than one impression. For example, if I tell you "The cat sat on the mat", I could be talking about a black cat or a brown cat. But it's not for you to insist that it was definitely a black cat, or definitely a brown cat. As far as you're concerned, it's just a cat - never mind what colour it is. That's all I meant to tell you. Only I know which colour cat I was talking about - but it's irrelevant to the message I want to get across.

To put it into an actual Qur'anic example - the Qur'an says that Jesus was not crucified, but it was just made to look like he was crucified.
Now how exactly did that happen? Did they crucify a lookalike? Did they not leave Jesus long enough on the cross for him to die there? Did the people watching all have the same hallucination? Well the reply is - who cares? All you need to know is that something happened which looked like a crucifixion - and that much is stated clearly.


The point is that, one is not supposed to insist that something is a tenet of Islam when it is only potentially endorsed by the Qur'an, rather than definitely endorsed by it.

Well explained tazarooni. Not much more one can say to add to that.


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[DawnRaider]

(Original post by Matthew12)
The qu'ran claims to be a kitab mubin(clear book) meaning its contents and meanings are clear to the human audience. If that is the case then why is there Mutashabit ayats( verses that are esoteric in nature) which according to Al-Imran v 7 only God knows the interpretation such as the[I] Arsh verses and the three mysterious letters that many surahs begin with.

So is the Qu'ran from looking at this really a Kitab Mubin?

is it a clear book? isnt it just supossed to be a collection of poetry language and methpjors becuse thats how they wrote in those days. if you study islam you would know there are many layers of scriptual interpretation required and commentary on the meaning of ayats.

[Matthew12]

(Original post by DawnRaider)
is it a clear book? isnt it just supossed to be a collection of poetry language and methpjors becuse thats how they wrote in those days. if you study islam you would know there are many layers of scriptual interpretation required and commentary on the meaning of ayats.

Well that is what the Book claims it to be

الر ۚ تِلْكَ آيَاتُ الْكِتَابِ وَقُرْآنٍ مُبِينٍ

Alif Lam Ra These are the ayats of the book and a clear reading/recitation( Surah al Hijr v 1)

[chickenonsteroids]

(Original post by tazarooni89)
To put it into an actual Qur'anic example - the Qur'an says that Jesus was not crucified, but it was just made to look like he was crucified.
Now how exactly did that happen? Did they crucify a lookalike? Did they not leave Jesus long enough on the cross for him to die there? Did the people watching all have the same hallucination?

Where does it say that? That's pretty interesting.

[Boqore]

Hi Matthew
The Qur'an is created by one author- God. The Qur'an is the only religious book that is reliable and clear and you know for definite where the source was from.

[tazarooni89]

(Original post by chickenonsteroids)
Where does it say that? That's pretty interesting.

Qur'an 4:157
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-