If we ran Afghanistan like the Nazis ran Europe, would it be over?
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Re: If we ran Afghanistan like the Nazis ran Europe, would it be over?Well it is where all of the 9/11 hijackers trained and plotted. Otherwise I can't see why we would be in Afghanistan, because your looney Muslim idea that we are there for oil that doesn't exist falls apart. It's stupid to say that the obvious thing to do when you're under occupation is to strap on a vest and blow up a load of civilians when only Muslims do that, and they don't even have to be under occupation(Original post by ShredMaster)
You really believe that? You can't call me simple when you believe everything your precious government tells you
"Terrorist training camp of the world" - a laughable notion. I'm not even going to take you seriously xP
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Re: If we ran Afghanistan like the Nazis ran Europe, would it be over?We put emphasis on human rights?(Original post by bahjat93)
I think the main problem is that we put emphasis on human rights while the Taliban don't.
Nazis were able to control most of Europe because they didn't care about human rights and the trouble makers were just shot. As much as i wish we could do that now a days we have something called the UN which doesn't allow us to do that :/.
You mean like how we bombed the sh*t out of Iraq and Afghanistan, killing hundreds of thousands?
What about America using torture and holding suspects without trial. Is that putting emphasis on human rights?
How about when America killed thousands upon thousands of people in Vietnam, in many cases burning people alive with gas.
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Re: If we ran Afghanistan like the Nazis ran Europe, would it be over?We put more emphasis on human rights then the Taliban do anyway(Original post by Bornblue)
We put emphasis on human rights?
You mean like how we bombed the sh*t out of Iraq and Afghanistan, killing hundreds of thousands?
What about America using torture and holding suspects without trial. Is that putting emphasis on human rights?
How about when America killed thousands upon thousands of people in Vietnam, in many cases burning people alive with gas.
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Re: If we ran Afghanistan like the Nazis ran Europe, would it be over?Do we really?(Original post by bahjat93)
We put more emphasis on human rights then the Taliban do anyway
How is dropping bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan, killing millions of civilians putting emphasis on human rights? -
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Perhaps you should consider what it was like to live under the totalitarian regime of Saddam Hussein and the palpable fear of of either you or your family ending up in one of the hundreds of mass graves that littered Iraq, or examine the policy of the Taliban to maintain women in perpetual ignorance and submission and to throw acid in the face of unveiled women in karachi. yes our human rights violations are a disturbing disgrace, but we still maintain rights to be violated, to compare our failures to the systematic removal of human rights present in these regimes is ridiculous.(Original post by Bornblue)
Do we really?
How is dropping bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan, killing millions of civilians putting emphasis on human rights?
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Re: If we ran Afghanistan like the Nazis ran Europe, would it be over?Millions is an exaggeration. I don't agree with everything the government does but you have to keep in mind it does it for the protection of its "Passport" holders.(Original post by Bornblue)
Do we really?
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Re: If we ran Afghanistan like the Nazis ran Europe, would it be over?Afghanistan seems to attract the sort of people who thinks force is the only solution to defeating the Taliban.
A bit of history, the Soviets used all the most vicious methods to try to defeat the anti communists forces including bombing civilians, torturing and executing suspects and massive military force and still got kicked out. -
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Re: If we ran Afghanistan like the Nazis ran Europe, would it be over?actually millions isn't an exxageration. 500,000 civilians being killed in Iraq is what the US put the number at. They don't include males of a certain age as they 'could' be enemy soldiers. The actual number is most likely over a million. Then include Afghanistan and yes, you do have millions.(Original post by bahjat93)
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Re: If we ran Afghanistan like the Nazis ran Europe, would it be over?Half the people on TSR are socialist and i think you are a socialist to!(Original post by user1-4)
actually millions isn't an exxageration. 500,000 civilians being killed in Iraq is what the US put the number at. They don't include males of a certain age as they 'could' be enemy soldiers. The actual number is most likely over a million. Then include Afghanistan and yes, you do have millions.
There will always be civilian casualties in war i'm not saying its right but it is inevitable. The government does the things it does so that it can maintain the lifestyle that it's people have.
This might come to you as a shock but the WEST is not run by war mongers
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Re: If we ran Afghanistan like the Nazis ran Europe, would it be over?That wasn't explicitly from NATO as you assert.(Original post by user1-4)
actually millions isn't an exxageration. 500,000 civilians being killed in Iraq is what the US put the number at. They don't include males of a certain age as they 'could' be enemy soldiers. The actual number is most likely over a million. Then include Afghanistan and yes, you do have millions. -
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Re: If we ran Afghanistan like the Nazis ran Europe, would it be over?Oh yes, because it's much better living in the fear that you'll be blown up by US and UK bombs. That's far nicer than Sadam's regime.(Original post by Fatfis)
Perhaps you should consider what it was like to live under the totalitarian regime of Saddam Hussein and the palpable fear of of either you or your family ending up in one of the hundreds of mass graves that littered Iraq, or examine the policy of the Taliban to maintain women in perpetual ignorance and submission and to throw acid in the face of unveiled women in karachi. yes our human rights violations are a disturbing disgrace, but we still maintain rights to be violated, to compare our failures to the systematic removal of human rights present in these regimes is ridiculous.
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Re: If we ran Afghanistan like the Nazis ran Europe, would it be over?(Original post by bahjat93)
Half the people on TSR are socialist and i think you are a socialist to!
There will always be civilian casualties in war i'm not saying its right but it is inevitable. The government does the things it does so that it can maintain the lifestyle that it's people have.
This might come to you as a shock but the WEST is not run by war mongers.
You know Haliburton, the US oil company has made over 18 billion from the Iraq war. That's the reason the US went to war. It suits them to be at war. -
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Re: If we ran Afghanistan like the Nazis ran Europe, would it be over?Firstly i know they have because i was thinking about getting some work experience there(Original post by Bornblue)
You know Haliburton, the US oil company has made over 18 billion from the Iraq war. That's the reason the US went to war. It suits them to be at war..
Halliburton is PLC meaning that its shares are PUBLICLY traded. Meaning it is owned by the public.
Since you live in the west you could've bought there shares and you could've had your fair share of the $18 billion in profit they made.
But no, instead people like you intend on protesting AND taking days of work!
I don't agree with wars but as Augustine said.
"We do not seek peace in order to be at war, but we go to war that we may have peace." -
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Re: If we ran Afghanistan like the Nazis ran Europe, would it be over?(Original post by bahjat93)
Firstly i know they have because i was thinking about getting some work experience there.
Halliburton is PLC meaning that its shares are PUBLICLY traded. Meaning it is owned by the public.
Since you live in the west you could've bought there shares and you could've had your fair share of the $18 billion in profit they made.
But no, instead people like you intend on protesting AND taking days of work!
I don't agree with wars but as Augustine said.
"We do not seek peace in order to be at war, but we go to war that we may have peace."
Don't make assumptions about me. I have never 'taken days of work' whatever that means.
I'd rather not have blood money.
Haliburton has made 18 billion. Going to war directly benefited them so they lobbied the US govt to go. Not to mention Dick Cheney, the US vice president at the time worked at Haliburton's beforehand. Corruption at it's finest. They wanted the country to be at war for their own benefit. -
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Re: If we ran Afghanistan like the Nazis ran Europe, would it be over?(Original post by user1-4)
actually millions isn't an exxageration. 500,000 civilians being killed in Iraq is what the US put the number at. They don't include males of a certain age as they 'could' be enemy soldiers. The actual number is most likely over a million. Then include Afghanistan and yes, you do have millions.yes it is...(Original post by VeniViciVidi)
That wasn't explicitly from NATO as you assert. -
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Re: If we ran Afghanistan like the Nazis ran Europe, would it be over?do you know what you are talking about?(Original post by Darth Stewie)
Yeh, because it all worked out so well for the Nazis?
We currently are occupying Afghanistan and Iraq while abiding by human rights so you clearly can. Would it be easier if we were willing to massacre civilians? No, the Nazis did not successfully enslave Europe, the resistances that fought against them played a vital role in their downfall and one thing that is a constant throughout history is that trying to enslave a foreign country by fear very rarely works out well.
The US aren't abiding by human rights in Afghanistan or Iraq. More civilians have died in the war thab soldiers. Human rights??? If a kid picks up a rock in either of those countries he will be shot. If a kid shouts in front of a US soldier he will be shot. How can these be human rights? 500,000+ Iraqi citizens have been killed and that is the US number, which doesnt include men of a certain age. Dropping uranium bombs on villages doesn't equate to human rights. -
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Re: If we ran Afghanistan like the Nazis ran Europe, would it be over?Uranium bombs? so we've nuked villages? you mean depleted uranium and that isn't "dropped" on anyone, it is used for ammunition and plating in the field due to it having a very high density, it is also used in hospitals, protective clothing for people working with radiation and even as counter-weights in lifts. when we used it in combat there were no health concerns and the ones that have been raised are mainly to do with the soldiers operating machines fitted with plating or ammunition made of depleted uranium.(Original post by user1-4)
do you know what you are talking about?
The US aren't abiding by human rights in Afghanistan or Iraq. More civilians have died in the war thab soldiers. Human rights??? If a kid picks up a rock in either of those countries he will be shot. If a kid shouts in front of a US soldier he will be shot. How can these be human rights? 500,000+ Iraqi citizens have been killed and that is the US number, which doesnt include men of a certain age. Dropping uranium bombs on villages doesn't equate to human rights.
If a kid picks up a rock or shouts he will be shot? what the hell are you talking about? 500k+ civilians killed by the US? have you got a source for that because any even remotely reliable one I've ever seen puts the figure well below that.
So far you have accused us of nuking villages, killing kids who shout and throw stones and made up some random figure for civilian deaths. This was a good laugh but if you want a serious discussion pick up a book and start reading.Last edited by Darth Stewie; 03-06-2012 at 04:07. -
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Re: If we ran Afghanistan like the Nazis ran Europe, would it be over?The kids being shot for picking up rocks is more well knows for Palestine, but it's true for Iraq aswell. There've been Iraqi refugees who've spoken about this and former rapper Lowkey (Iraqi) has mentioned how kids who picked up rocks have been shot at and why his parents had to leave Iraq.(Original post by Darth Stewie)
If a kid picks up a rock or shouts he will be shot? what the hell are you talking about? 500k+ civilians killed by the US? have you got a source for that because any even remotely reliable one I've ever seen puts the figure well below that.
500,000+ civilians killed is a well known figure??? How could you need me to give you a source for that. It is the figure that was leaked a while ago by the US. You are probably talking about the propoganda figures of what 130,000? Even if that figure were to be true, it is still 130,000 too many.
"Terrorist training camp of the world" - a laughable notion. I'm not even going to take you seriously xP
