[Aisha~~]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/e...eaker-men.html

There is hope for you yet TSR males!

[Ilikecake]

When women turn 50 they will prefer these men.

[Silver Arrow]

The Daily Fail ran an article similar to this and the sad thing is that there are betas out there rejoicing about this worthless horse manure.

[Flyingaround]

(Original post by Aisha~~)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/e...eaker-men.html

There is hope for you yet TSR males!

Forget this silly research people do, just listen to your own reasons.

I am someone who chooses not to be muscly, ok I go for walks for about 5 miles but i choose not to be a weight lifter etc.

I notice that alot of big men, going off my sisters husbands have a shorter temper.

I want to be a nice person who is in touch with good emotions and to never hurt a person. I don't believe that men who are not muscly become good just because they have to.

It's a personal choice. And ok not all big guys are on the edge with a short temper.

[Llewellyn]

(Original post by Flyingaround)
I notice that alot of big men, going off my sisters husbands have a shorter temper.

That's a generalisation I don't really agree with. True, men who are on steroids are often more aggressive due to (unnaturally) increased testosterone levels, but that does not mean you can attribute that characteristic to the entire group of men who work out.

Men do not become more aggressive just because they work out. In fact, I think that regular physical exercise helps to relieve stress and staying fit is important for general well being, which probably causes less aggressive behaviour.

[BACTSR2]

(Original post by Silver Arrow)
The Daily Fail ran an article similar to this and the sad thing is that there are betas out there rejoicing about this worthless horse manure.

Pretty women marry computer programmers, lawyers, doctors etc. That's what this is about, whether the article makes it clear or not (tl;dr) not who girls pick out in clubs.

[Aisha~~]

(Original post by Flyingaround)
Forget this silly research people do, just listen to your own reasons.

I am someone who chooses not to be muscly, ok I go for walks for about 5 miles but i choose not to be a weight lifter etc.

I notice that alot of big men, going off my sisters husbands have a shorter temper.

I want to be a nice person who is in touch with good emotions and to never hurt a person. I don't believe that men who are not muscly become good just because they have to.

It's a personal choice. And ok not all big guys are on the edge with a short temper.

Forget this silly research people do, just listen to your own reasons.

I am someone who works extremely hard to be muscley. Ok I weight lift and I rarely do cardio.

I am a big man and I have a very short temper. This allows me to easily assert my position as alpha male over weak men.

I don't care about being nice, and I block out emotion which helps me deal with life calmly. I believe that men who are not muscly become good just because they have to.

Srs, this is pretty much an exact self description. The only place in which monogamy is important is when raising a child. It's not important in any other relationship. Even then, I won't necessarily have to raise my own child.

[DWLLVBDYHG]

Women tend to sleep around with alpha males when they are young, and then when their looks start fading they go in for desperate beta males. Often carry on having sex with alphas on the side. Sad but true.

[Chumbaniya]

What a terrible headline. I don't know about the study (primarily because the article is phenomenally short and doesn't explain anything about it) but it certainly doesn't seem to suggest that women have an active interest in men who are physically weaker. They have an interest in men who are devoted and good providers. The point here that's interesting isn't that women prefer weaker men, it's that's less physically appealing men need to exhibit more of other attractive qualities - like devotion and the ability to provide - in order to compete for female attention.

Ceteris paribus, a woman is still going to choose a more physically attractive man.

[Flyingaround]

(Original post by Llewellyn)
That's a generalisation I don't really agree with. True, men who are on steroids are often more aggressive due to (unnaturally) increased testosterone levels, but that does not mean you can attribute that characteristic to the entire group of men who work out.

Men do not become more aggressive just because they work out. In fact, I think that regular physical exercise helps to relieve stress and staying fit is important for general well being, which probably causes less aggressive behaviour.

I didn't mean all of them Like that guy in big brother who got more agitated because he couldn't work out so he took his anger out of people.

[Flyingaround]

(Original post by Aisha~~)
Forget this silly research people do, just listen to your own reasons.

I am someone who works extremely hard to be muscley. Ok I weight lift and I rarely do cardio.

I am a big man and I have a very short temper. This allows me to easily assert my position as alpha male over weak men.

I don't care about being nice, and I block out emotion which helps me deal with life calmly. I believe that men who are not muscly become good just because they have to.

Srs, this is pretty much an exact self description. The only place in which monogamy is important is when raising a child. It's not important in any other relationship. Even then, I won't necessarily have to raise my own child.

Sorry I didn't know what you were saying.

What I mean is Research is silly like this, saying that people are the way they are because of what some people in a lab have come up with.

I am not muscly, but I am not being nice to people because I am weaker, I am just nice because I choose to be.

That's all I meant.

Sure big musly men can be nice, I know that.

[Aisha~~]

(Original post by Flyingaround)
Sorry I didn't know what you were saying.

What I mean is Research is silly like this, saying that people are the way they are because of what some people in a lab have come up with.

I am not muscly, but I am not being nice to people because I am weaker, I am just nice because I choose to be.

That's all I meant.

Sure big musly men can be nice, I know that.

Then I truly hope you find a nice, caring woman that will sweep you off your feet and carry you into the sunset

[CallieCat]

I love how being muscly/'alpha male' and being nice/caring are somehow mutually exclusive, this is a ****ty article.

[Aisha~~]

(Original post by CallieCat)
I love how being muscly/'alpha male' and being nice/caring are somehow mutually exclusive, this is a ****ty article.

Men with higher testosterone counts tend towards aggression. There is a strong correlation between the two.

[Dirac Delta Function]

This is because men who lacked the ability to compete physically with their peers compensated by providing better for their spouses in order to buy their affection, researchers said.

In modern terms, this means being wealthy.

No Shiz Sherlock....

[Llewellyn]

(Original post by Aisha~~)
Men with higher testosterone counts tend towards aggression. There is a strong correlation between the two.

Muscularity and testosterone levels aren't connected. At all. Unless you're taking steroids or any similar supplements.

[CallieCat]

(Original post by Aisha~~)
Men with higher testosterone counts tend towards aggression. There is a strong correlation between the two.

... which does not make them mutually exclusive.

[Dirac Delta Function]

(Original post by DWLLVBDYHG)
Women tend to sleep around with alpha males when they are young, and then when their looks start fading they go in for desperate beta males. Often carry on having sex with alphas on the side. Sad but true.

exactly what I was thinking. Betas are saps who just end up giving up half their assets when the divorce goes through.

Frankly, it's surprising men and women don't harbour more resentment and bitterness toward each other.

[Aisha~~]

(Original post by Llewellyn)
Muscularity and testosterone levels aren't connected. At all. Unless you're taking steroids or any similar supplements.

Testosterone IS an anabolic steroid. It is the primary growth hormone used in muscular growth.

(Original post by CallieCat)
... which does not make them mutually exclusive.

It makes the frequency of each extreme case much rarer. A nice/alpha guy may be 1/1000 compared to a bad/alpha guy which might be 1/10

[Chumbaniya]

Regardless of any correlation between muscularity and aggression, the assertion that women prefer weaker men is a complete misinterpretation of the study. The truth is that women like physically attractive men, and they also like men who are devoted and able to provide. The study is about men who happen to be physically weaker working on the latter qualities in order to become more appealing. There's nothing here about women having a preference for weaker men, only a preference for some qualities that weaker men often develop to a greater extent than stronger men.

"Women prefer weak men" suggests that, with two men who are identical except for one being weaker, women will choose the weaker man, which isn't typically the case or what the study says. Given two men who are both devoted, able providers with the only difference being that one is more physically appealing, most women will choose the more physically appealing man.