[Metrobeans]

M94 - Greek collapse border closure Motion, internetguru

The House believes that in order to protect our economy from a sudden increase in immigration we must temporarily close our borders to European migrants upon economic collapse. It is unlikely that our system would be able to cope with significantly immigration sparked by economic turmoil in Europe, therefore we feel the best course of action would be to temporarily close our borders to European migrants under such circumstances.

[Morgsie]

OMFG, I can't believe this.

The Treaty of Rome established the principle of freedom of movement.

NO WAY, we can put a cap though.

[toronto353]

The wording is a little poor i.e. what constitutes an economic collapse, but the principle is something that I agree with (though this may be a little extreme). Should such an event occur, then we must be prepared for this eventuality.

[Morgsie]

(Original post by toronto353)
The wording is a little poor i.e. what constitutes an economic collapse, but the principle is something that I agree with. Should such an event occur, then we must be prepared for this eventuality.

There is talk IRL about a possible cap, will the Government look at it?

[toronto353]

(Original post by Morgsie)
There is talk IRL about a possible cap, will the Government look at it?

The cap I assume you're talking about is the 10,000s idea from Cameron. This is different. This motion seeks to close our borders completely. As I say, it's a little too extreme for me (reading the motion again and editing my reply), but we must be prepared.

[Morgsie]

(Original post by toronto353)
The cap I assume you're talking about is the 10,000s idea from Cameron. This is different. This motion seeks to close our borders completely. As I say, it's a little too extreme for me (reading the motion again and editing my reply), but we must be prepared.

I am talking that a cap may be established, Thressa May. Like the cap we had back in 2004 when the Eastern lot joined the EU.

[toronto353]

(Original post by Morgsie)
I am talking that a cap may be established, Thressa May. Like the cap we had back in 2004 when the Eastern lot joined the EU.

It's an idea that I believe we should look into, but we shouldn't dismiss internetguru's idea out of hand either because it is a cap of sorts (just an extreme one). To not cap migration at all after any collapse of the euro would be poor planning to say the least.

[internetguru]

The idea is a temporary border closure to EU countries if something drastic does occur. For example Greece defaults and Europe goes into meltdown. This would only be in place for a small amount of time until Europe became more stable.

[jesusandtequila]

No no no no no no no.

[Morgsie]

(Original post by toronto353)
It's an idea that I believe we should look into, but we shouldn't dismiss internetguru's idea out of hand either because it is a cap of sorts (just an extreme one). To not cap migration at all after any collapse of the euro would be poor planning to say the least.

Close our Borders, ARE YOU MAD. Shutting our borders is extreme.

I understand there should be plans drawn up including the banks.

[internetguru]

(Original post by jesusandtequila)
No no no no no no no.

So will you sit by in this hypothetical situation and let our country be flooded with new people? Our country is not prepared to handle a sudden massive increase in immigration.

[Morgsie]

(Original post by internetguru)
So will you sit by in this hypothetical situation and let our country be flooded with new people? Our country is not prepared to handle a sudden massive increase in immigration.

We can put a cap though

[tehFrance]

I am in favour of stopping those whom have no skills from entering the country but those with paying jobs that are skilled should still be let it.

So no.

[toronto353]

(Original post by Morgsie)
Close our Borders, ARE YOU MAD. Shutting our borders is extreme.

I understand there should be plans drawn up including the banks.

Morgsie, you have to prepare for all eventualities. Did I say I supported closing the borders? No. What I said is that I supported the idea of limits and that internetguru had presented an extreme form of capping migration. We need to be prepared though. Sticking your fingers in your ears and saying 'lalala' won't help the situation. You need to plan and to rule anything out at this moment is to leave yourself a little bit more unprepared.

[Morgsie]

I hope the Conservatives deselect this Incompetent member

[Keckers]

(Original post by Morgsie)
NO WAY, we can put a cap though.

Cap it at 1?

I jest, I am in complete disagreement with this.

[jesusandtequila]

(Original post by internetguru)
So will you sit by in this hypothetical situation and let our country be flooded with new people? Our country is not prepared to handle a sudden massive increase in immigration.

You're not going to appeal to my vote with that, considering I support open borders. I don't believe that a human should be denied the opportunity to live where they can acquire private property, or denied work where they can find someone who wants their labour, at all.

[toronto353]

(Original post by Morgsie)
I hope the Conservatives deselect this Incompetent member

Morgsie. I'm sure I've mentioned personal attacks before. You don't like it so don't attack others.

[internetguru]

(Original post by jesusandtequila)
You're not going to appeal to my vote with that, considering I support open borders. I don't believe that a human should be denied the opportunity to live where they can acquire private property, or denied work where they can find someone who wants their labour, at all.

The libertarian idea of open borders can only be maintained when the state only provides protection. With welfare, healthcare and pensions etc all funded by the state open borders are a laughable proposition.

Extreme situations call for extreme decisions. I am not proposing we permanently close borders under such circumstances a mere temporary measure until everything cools down.

[Birchington]

I think we need to be aware of economic 'refugees' coming to Britain in case of Greece having total economic collapse and prepare for it - we can't accommodate thousands of new migrants in one go, but if we plan for them we can accept and integrate anyone who may move to Britain for economic reasons. I don't agree with a total border closure though.