[Pyramidologist]

I identified with nationalist politics from a young age. I supported the National Democrats, followed by the British National Party. I was an activist for the British National Party for four years. However i have now left them. I believe nationalism has proven to be a failure with the British electorate, and that we need a new alternitive. After i finish my degree i plan to form a new political party with a fresh ideological alternitive (as outlined below). You can read my article as it was published on the website below, and i have copied it here. Any feedback (negative or positive) is appreciated.

http://thebritishresistance.co.uk/gu...to-nationalism

An alternative to Nationalism by AngloPyramidologist

Those that are involved with nationalist politics in Britain should by now know it has never been popular with the electorate. We may firstly define nationalism as follows: ‘‘a political ideology that involves a strong identification of a group of individuals with a nation’’.

A ‘nation’ being defined as an: ‘‘aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory’’.

We may further distinguish between the four major differing types of nationalism in Britain and their main political representation:

1.UKIP (civic nationalism),
2.BNP (ethnic nationalism),
3.National Front (racial nationalism)
4.English Democrats (cultural nationalism)
It may be further said that the Conservatives offer a weak form of civic nationalism. These differing forms of nationalism are self-explanatory by name and so we need not waste time defining them, nor do we need to waste much time with all the miniscule, split or offshoot parties (DN/ BFP/EFP etc,etc).

An overview of British electoral history will show the four major types of nationalism have had no real impact whatsoever -

Racial Nationalism

Racial nationalists, such as the National Front have never had a single elected councillor; this is despite the fact as a party they have been in existence since 1967. In 45 years, the National Front has achieved absolutely nothing electorally. One has to ponder why they are still registered with the electoral commission. It may be argued that the BNP before changing its ideology to ethnic nationalism (or Griffin’s ‘ethno-nationalism’) achieved minor electoral success as a racial nationalist party. After all they won their first seat in a by-election in Tower Hamlets, in 1993. However until Griffin modernised the party, this is all the BNP achieved – a single elected local councillor out of 21,000 councillors across UK.

Ethnic Nationalism

When Nick Griffin modernised the party from 2001, the BNP picked up more seats from 2003 – 2009 through its more moderate ethnic nationalist image. However is ethnic nationalism really a genuine electoral success?

At their height the BNP in 2009 had just over 50 elected local councillors. Again to put things into perspective, there are around 21,000 local council seats across UK (excluding Parish). In other words the BNP have had an impact of a miniscule 0. 25% and they struggle to win Parish seats.

So even with a moderate ethnic nationalist image, not even a single percent of local council seats could be won (note: the BNP as of 2012 only holds a dismal 3 seats).

The BNP did though scrape the 5% threshold to win a seat on the GLA in 2008, while they later picked up two MEP seats the following year, receiving about 6. 2% of the vote. One has to be reminded of course that during the European Parliamentary elections, a higher percentage of people will vote for the Eurosceptic parties, so the genuine voting base for the BNP in reality has not exceeded about 5%. In fact it is probably far lower, as the BNP only polled 1.9% in the GE 2010.

The BNP’s ethnic nationalism as can be seen is an overall electoral failure. Sure, it can win the occasional local or parish seat, and pick up an MEP or two (based on its Euroscepticism) but this isn’t enough to have any actual impact. Out of 650 parliamentary seats, the BNP holds zero and has never come close to winning one.

Cultural Nationalism

With the above outlined about the failure of ethnic and racial nationalism, it was inevitable that cultural nationalism would be born. The English Democrats and various other fringe or offshoot parties’ are now toying around with this watered down version of ethnic nationalism. Although as I said I wouldn’t waste time with definitions, to clarify, cultural nationalism is essentially ethnic nationalism minus the phenotype.

Ethnicity of course is regarded as a group of people who share common ancestry; this involves phenotype and culture (language, shared customs and so forth). Cultural nationalists just remove the phenotype from their ideology, thus like the English Democrats they argue you can look like an East Asian (Mongoloid) but still be English if they speak the English language and eat a Sunday roast.

To most nationalists of course this is ridiculed and considered potty, I myself regard it as nonsensical. However, we have to understand the mindset of these people. They know racial and ethnic nationalism is a failure, they are realists. However where they go wrong is that they basically ‘sell out’ and water down their ideology so much it becomes basically indistinguishable from civic nationalism. But back to the point, electorally cultural nationalism is going nowhere. The English Democrats will never make an electoral breakthrough; they only currently hold a councillor or two. Their chairman, Robin Tilbrook, recently stood in the local elections, only managing a pathetic 60 or so votes (1%). Anyone thinking the English Democrats ‘‘are the way forward’’ as Eddy Butler likes to say, needs to get their head checked.

Civic Nationalism

Lastly we come to civic or ‘liberal’ nationalism, this is hardly even nationalism and is just based on the idea a nation can be defined by its shared values. Has it had an electoral impact? UKIP who promote civic nationalism, locally, have never won more seats than the BNP. Furthermore as everyone knows they only pick up MEP seats, as they are perceived as a single issue party campaigning for withdrawal from the EU. This will never change.

The Conservatives offer a watered down version of UKIP’s civic nationalism, and yet they of course electorally are a success and have governmental power. Conservative MP’s like Eric Pickles have called for traditional British values to be put at the ‘‘heart of public life’’ to be embraced by all ethnicities, cultures and races in Britain. Is this working? No it isn’t at all. Most immigrants in Britain (legal or illegal) have no interest in adopting British values, and even most indigenous British don’t care if they do or not. Civic nationalism is a failure despite being a policy, among the Conservatives who hold power.


Conclusion and the alternative - It is evidently clear if you look at electoral history, that nationalism in Britain is a failure. It will never progress beyond the odd local council seat out of 21,000. In the not so distant future the EU will probably also be dissolved, so the few seats the UKIP or BNP win will no longer matter.

Civic nationalism while having support by a major party, the Conservatives, is rejected by the majority of the British public and the government has no way of enforcing it. Furthermore to most nationalists, civic nationalism is irrelevant. It has no solution whatsoever to multiculturalism or multiracialism.

Having looked at all the available options, it is now clear, at least so in my opinion, that nationalist politics in Britain is a waste of time.

Therefore what can be proposed? Firstly we must come to accept the reality that mass immigration is never going to end; it is only going to get worse.
The upcoming census statistics are going to verify the sharply declining indigenous British population when compared to immigrants. Nationalism cannot reverse this trend; immigrants are not going to leave, more will settle here. Even despite the economic recession, immigrants flock here.

The only solution is to abandon the concept of a nation, but continue the preservationist mindset with a realistic strategy. Ethnopluralism is exactly this. It is essentially a ‘‘separate but equal’’ mentality. An ethno pluralist party would be open to all races, ethnicities and religions for those people to work with their own strict communities. Integration in contrast would be fully opposed.

This sharply contrasts to nationalism, which promotes assimilation. As an ethno pluralist I would argue immigrants in Britain do not have to accept indigenous British values, customs, the English language and so forth, but that they keep and preserve their own.However they should live in their own isolated communities.

Parts of Britain thus for Muslims could accept Sharia law, while those areas where the indigenous communities exist can have St. Georges Day, have festivals celebrating indigenous culture and so forth. The way I see it, this is the only solution. As a nation, Britain no longer exists with a common shared identity; it has become too multicultural and multiracial.

Ethnopluralism offers a realistic view of politics. Muslims, who are increasing rapidly in number including fundamentalists who don’t want to integrate, can vote for the same party as an indigenous British who wants to preserve his/her people.

[Menefrego88]

Your not a real white nationalist im guessing then.

[XO*]

As soon as I read 'I was an activist for the British National Party for four years. ' I stopped reading.
The BNP and anybody who identifies themselves with them are ignorant scum.

[I Kant Spall]

(Original post by Pyramidologist)
It is essentially a ‘‘separate but equal’’ mentality.

We tried this in the USA. It didn't work. It is as much of a fallacy now as it was during the height of the Civil Rights movement.

[frankieboy]

Not a bad effort. I have very few arguments with what you've written if I'm honest with myself. It seems to be a little better thought out than the usual thread of this type I see on here.

[VeniViciVidi]

Have you considered that, nationalism is infact more regional than it is national?

[jaklargerne]

I don't understand your point. We already have this situation now, in a democracy, you have the freedom to do what you like and to believe what you want as long as you don't violate any laws. The ones who don't want to participate in a certain cultural group aren't forced to, they can stick with their own kind of people.

[internetguru]

(Original post by XO*)
As soon as I read 'I was an activist for the British National Party for four years. ' I stopped reading.
The BNP and anybody who identifies themselves with them are ignorant scum.

Irony?

[blu tack]

What would happen to people who do want to integrate, or those who want to take their favourite bits from each culture? No cultural mixing at all is bizarre.

[HeyyImRyan]

(Original post by blu tack)
What would happen to people who do want to integrate, or those who want to take their favourite bits from each culture? No cultural mixing at all is bizarre.

I suppose they'd be anti-ethnopluralist?


Maybe they could have their own community where they mix cultures?

[Menefrego88]

(Original post by XO*)
As soon as I read 'I was an activist for the British National Party for four years. ' I stopped reading.
The BNP and anybody who identifies themselves with them are ignorant scum.

Just like anyone who associates with the major party's as they put immigrants first.

[Pyramidologist]

(Original post by jaklargerne)
I don't understand your point. We already have this situation now, in a democracy, you have the freedom to do what you like and to believe what you want as long as you don't violate any laws. The ones who don't want to participate in a certain cultural group aren't forced to, they can stick with their own kind of people.

No we don't have this situation now. No area of Britain is monocultural or ethnically homogenous, its diverse and mixed. This will never be reversed nor can immigration be stopped. Nationalism as i have stated is not realistic. This is why i have left it, and seek an alternative - ethnopluralism. I believe that all cultures, ethnicities and races should have the chance to be plural or seperate. Furthermore i regard this as the only solution to the alarming increase in Islamic fundamentalism. For example i support Sharia Law for Muslims within their own seperate communities. I believe in civic equality, but separatism. Nationalism has proven to be a failure as it in contrast promotes assimilation. Most immigrants in Britain however have no interest in learning English, or adopting indigenous British culture. Ethnopluralism would leave them to their own language and culture, and not try and impose anything onto them.

[blu tack]

(Original post by Pyramidologist)
No we don't have this situation now. No area of Britain is monocultural or ethnically homogenous, its diverse and mixed. This will never be reversed nor can immigration be stopped. Nationalism as i have stated is not realistic. This is why i have left it, and seek an alternative - ethnopluralism. I believe that all cultures, ethnicities and races should have the chance to be plural or seperate. Furthermore i regard this as the only solution to the alarming increase in Islamic fundamentalism. For example i support Sharia Law for Muslims within their own seperate communities. I believe in civic equality, but separatism. Nationalism has proven to be a failure as it in contrast promotes assimilation. Most immigrants in Britain however have no interest in learning English, or adopting indigenous British culture. Ethnopluralism would leave them to their own language and culture, and not try and impose anything onto them.

There is no one homogenous British culture, though, it varies from region to region and town to town Surely under your system, no one would be allowed to move anywhere else so that the disparate British cultures wouldn't be spread around and diluted?
Also, I'm not convinced that 'most immigrants' don't want to learn English.

Would you have immigrants choose then between keeping their own culture and staying in their own area, or rejecting it entirely? What about those who want a mix of both? (which in my experience is most people)

[JCC-MGS]

Lol as if ethnic separatism would have a broader electoral appeal than ethnic nationalism, the left wouldn't like it because we support integration and the right wouldn't like it because they don't support sustained levels of immigration or the undermining of their perception of national identity, and it's simply too ****ing stupid and impractical for pragmatists in the centre. I think this really is the most stupid thread I've ever seen on TSR regarding politics

[Pyramidologist]

(Original post by Menefrego88)
Your not a real white nationalist im guessing then.

I no longer identify with any form of nationalism for the outlined reasons in the article. All forms of nationalism are an electoral failure. Furthermore Britain no longer has a national identity because its population has become too ethnically diverse. Most nationalists are pure fantasists. It is time to seek an alternitive.

[Blue1878]

Your logic is fundamentally flawed because you take one key thing foregranted. You assume you speak for all whites with your extremist and to be blunt ridiculous views. You forget that 90% of whites, black, Asians, Jews, Muslims, Christians etc. do not think like you do and are happy living in their own communities side by side and do not want to be 'equal but seperate'. You say you have abandoned nationalism on logical and pragmatic grounds well then I must therefore question your sanity if you think introducing segregation is going to have a wider appeal? There would be riots, have you ever considered what would happen to mixed race families? Who would implement such a system? As JCC-MGS points out you would recieve no support from the right wing as they would view what you are suggesting as defeatism and you would recieve no support from the left for obvious reasons.
Due to the ridiculous, unpractical, non-sensical, racist nature of your argument I therefore conclude you were either trolling or high when you wrote this... maybe both...

[Menefrego88]

(Original post by Pyramidologist)
I no longer identify with any form of nationalism for the outlined reasons in the article. All forms of nationalism are an electoral failure. Furthermore Britain no longer has a national identity because its population has become too ethnically diverse. Most nationalists are pure fantasists. It is time to seek an alternitive.

There ways to gain power. Just remember the SS started with 10 people then ruled Europe.

[XO*]

(Original post by Serpent Snake)
People like you are scum.

You support the genocide of a race and a country.... grow up you anti-white fag.

Anti-white? Is that what you call somebody non-racist nowadays?

[Aphotic Cosmos]

(Original post by Serpent Snake)
People like you are scum.

You support the genocide of a race and a country.... grow up you anti-white fag.

Clearly a mature, well thought out answer.

[Igrisok]

What's so great about the UK/England/white people that whole political parties should be formed based around how great we are compared to everyone else?

The above question is only half sarcastic.