Hi,
I was doing an integration question, which required use of substitution. I took a substitution which made the working very long.
The answer is
I get the answer as
Now i have no idea how to convert into an exact value in terms of
Though wolfram is able to do this, it gives,
I have tried the easier substitution and got the right answer, but i just want to know how can i make this more difficult approach work.
Thanks in advance
Exact value of arctan[1+sqrt(2)]


If you substitute wolframalpha's result into your equation you get the right answer.
I don't think there is a direct way to prove this value of arctan. You can always try entering it into a calculator and dividing by pi.. 
(Original post by yclicc)
If you substitute wolframalpha's result into your equation you get the right answer.
I don't think there is a direct way to prove this value of arctan. You can always try entering it into a calculator and dividing by pi..
I know wolframalpha's result gives the right answer, but how does wolfram calculates it?
For artanh we have a formula, is there a similar formula for arctan, any idea? 
Unless you happen to know the tan function very well, I don't think there's an 'easy' way of doing it.
If you're allowed a calculator then it's a simple matter of checking against different multiples of pi really. 
No, as tanh(x) is defined as ((e^2x)1)/((e^2x)+1) which is arranged to make x the subject, giving a formula for artanh(x). This is not the case with tan(x)/arctan(x), although they may be approximated to a polynomial by Maclaurin/taylor series, which is how a computer can calculate values of tan(x)/arctan(x)

(Original post by marcusmerehay)
Unless you happen to know the tan function very well, I don't think there's an 'easy' way of doing it.
If you're allowed a calculator then it's a simple matter of checking against different multiples of pi really.
I was thinking that there might be a formula for it.
I just did 
The + hints at using some kind of halfangle formula (it's not like to be a doubleangle formula because they normally give fractions, for tan at least).
You can write where . Using the formula , we have
We don't know any tan~cot angles that give , so it looks like we should use the sin~cosec for that. We're done if we can find such that and . (And we can.) 
(Original post by raheem94)
ok, thanks.
I was thinking that there might be a formula for it.
I just did 
(Original post by raheem94)
Hi,
I was doing an integration question, which required use of substitution. I took a substitution which made the working very long.
The answer is
I get the answer as
Now i have no idea how to convert into an exact value in terms of
Though wolfram is able to do this, it gives,
I have tried the easier substitution and got the right answer, but i just want to know how can i make this more difficult approach work.
Thanks in advance 
(Original post by nuodai)
The + hints at using some kind of halfangle formula (it's not like to be a doubleangle formula because they normally give fractions, for tan at least).
You can write where . Using the formula , we have
We don't know any tan~cot angles that give , so it looks like we should use the sin~cosec for that. We're done if we can find such that and . (And we can.)
You are a genius!
I am not quite sure how i will apply your method to my question and will it take long time?
(Original post by Hasufel)
ooh! Nice one!
(Original post by hassi94)
Whilst replies from Nuodai and Jacques etc. are great  surely your calculator should be able to give you an exact answer (assuming this is alevel)? Which is obviously a lot easier in an exam situation.
Though i hope to avoid such stupid mistakes in exam, the question could have been done very much quickly had i taken a different substitution but the substitution i took required too much working and at the end there was the arctan case... 
(Original post by raheem94)
I am not quite sure how i will apply your method to my question and will it take long time?
then, using the quadratic formula, you get
If we write (for ), then we must have and so we take the + sign, and the above equation gives
which is quite nice. 
(Original post by raheem94)
You are a genius!
I am not quite sure how i will apply your method to my question and will it take long time?
I did one way above which gave the answer in terms of , but can the calculator directly find the answer in terms of
Though i hope to avoid such stupid mistakes in exam, the question could have been done very much quickly had i taken a different substitution but the substitution i took required too much working and at the end there was the arctan case... 
(Original post by yclicc)
The newer casio calculators can give it directly in terms of pi. I don't know if they know this one though... 
(Original post by raheem94)
I have fx991ES, can this one give answers in terms of pi? 
(Original post by raheem94)
I have fx991ES, can this one give answers in terms of pi? 
If it doesn't, just use radians and divide your answer by Pi and stick pi on the end of it. Or use degrees and convert yourself.
What exam board are you? As I do edexcel and I don't know about the tanh stuff . 
(Original post by JonathanM)
If it doesn't, just use radians and divide your answer by Pi and stick pi on the end of it. Or use degrees and convert yourself.(Original post by hassi94)
Yep this should give answers in terms of pi by default. Make sure you're not in Stat mode.(Original post by nuodai)
Yes  it does by default, doesn't it?
I never use the calc on Mthlo mode, i always prefer LineIO, i just set it into the other and it gave the answer in terms of pi.
Regarding the stat mode, i never use it, i did the stats exam but i never tried to take some time to learn how to use the stats mode 
(Original post by JonathanM)
If it doesn't, just use radians and divide your answer by Pi and stick pi on the end of it. Or use degrees and convert yourself.
What exam board are you? As I do edexcel and I don't know about the tanh stuff . 
(Original post by raheem94)
Oh yes, it does it.
I never use the calc on Mthlo mode, i always prefer LineIO, i just set it into the other and it gave the answer in terms of pi.
Regarding the stat mode, i never use it, i did the stats exam but i never tried to take some time to learn how to use the stats mode
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