[Banishingboredom]

I just saw an appalling article about a poor dog who was rescued within hours of starvation.

I have as much contempt for people who abuse animals as I do for people who abuse other people. It's the ultimate form of cowardice.

These sick bastards deserve proper punishments, not just token fines and nominal prison sentences (if that). 5-10 years imprisonment would be a start.

Anyone else agree?

[Subology]

I do agree completely. Vulnerability of domestic animals is an issue for society, and the criminal justice system should reflect this.

[shirley7]

(Original post by Banishingboredom)
I just saw an appalling article about a poor dog who was rescued within hours of starvation.

I have as much contempt for people who abuse animals as I do for people who abuse other people. It's the ultimate form of cowardice.

These sick bastards deserve proper punishments, not just token fines and nominal prison sentences (if that). 5-10 years imprisonment would be a start.

Anyone else agree?

Couldn't agree more. People who kill, physically abuse or neglect animals should be given the same sentences, as far as I'm concerned, as those who commit the same crimes against other people.

[Banishingboredom]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-18167422.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...ds/5180776.stm.

4 and 5 months respectively for disgusting cruelty.

It's also been shown that animal abuse premeditates psychopathic tendencies towards humans.

[Rooster523]

(Original post by shirley7)
Couldn't agree more. People who kill, physically abuse or neglect animals should be given the same sentences, as far as I'm concerned, as those who commit the same crimes against other people.

so rat poison, mouse traps and fly swatters should all be banned?

[Banishingboredom]

(Original post by Rooster523)
so rat poison, mouse traps and fly swatters should all be banned?

There is a difference between relatively humane pest prevention and mistreating animals that trust/ rely on you for fun.

[IFondledAGibbon]

What about the meat industry? People become (rightly) outraged when others neglect domestic animals, but wouldn't think twice about tucking into a bacon sarnie. All forms of unnecessary animal suffering should be minimised, and the perpetrators punished.

[shirley7]

(Original post by Rooster523)
so rat poison, mouse traps and fly swatters should all be banned?

I'm talking about cats, dogs etc, as well you know. Not vermin.

[Rooster523]

(Original post by shirley7)
I'm talking about cats, dogs etc, as well you know. Not vermin.

so some animals are more equal than others, I get it now.

[Rooster523]

(Original post by Banishingboredom)
There is a difference between relatively humane pest prevention and mistreating animals that trust/ rely on you for fun.

so you've gone from

(Original post by shirley7)
People who kill, physically abuse or neglect animals should be given the same sentences, as far as I'm concerned, as those who commit the same crimes against other people.

Notice the bold- so you've gone from killing animals is absolutely abhorrent to 'well in some cases it's alright'

and humane? there's nothing humane about mouse traps. 'Here little mouse, look here's some food WHACK! now you're trapped and are going to struggle until you die of stress or starvation.


Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% in favour of pest control. I am however, 100% against animal rights hypocrites who say crimes against animals should be punished the same as crimes against humans...but only on the cute animals that don't annoy people.

[Banishingboredom]

(Original post by Rooster523)
so some animals are more equal than others, I get it now.

If the farmer Mr Jones had treated those animals properly in the first place there would have been no need for the proletarian farmyard uprising and all the subsequent corruption.

[Christofferz]

(Original post by Rooster523)
Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% in favour of pest control. I am however, 100% against animal rights hypocrites who say crimes against animals should be punished the same as crimes against humans...but only on the cute animals that don't annoy people.

Both those are the brilliant ones! "Save the dolphins, leave the cows on their own"!

[Banishingboredom]

(Original post by Christofferz)
Both those are the brilliant ones! "Save the dolphins, leave the cows on their own"!

This thread is about cruelty, not whether it's ever justified to kill animals.

It's one thing to kill animals to provide food, another to torture them for entertainment as happens routinely in fox hunting and bullfighting across the world, and by sick idiots who abuse domestic animals.

[Christofferz]

(Original post by Banishingboredom)
This thread is about cruelty, not whether it's ever justified to kill animals.

It's one thing to kill animals to provide food, another to torture them for entertainment as happens routinely in fox hunting and bullfighting across the world, and by sick idiots who abuse domestic animals.

To believe that cruelty isn't common in these death camps for cows is very naive...

But of course, tougher penalties for animal abuse, I'm all for it. There's no reason why should get away easily with such a crime, it's a living creature, just as humans, the only difference is that humans can defend themselves.

[Snagprophet]

You know when you kill rats at the start of Oblivion? It eventually leads you to killing people (weird analogy, though nothing to do with video games indoctrinating kids into violence).

If you're a mild psycho you would want to start torturing more vulnerable creatures. Then you want to see the suffering in a more understanding way and the only way you can see extreme suffering is to do it to humans. So it's probably best to kill it before it lays eggs, imo.

[laurentommo]

If I saw anyone abusing my pet my blood would boil, and I wouldn't be responsible for my actions..

[Aspiringlawstudent]

How do you propose we afford to jail all these people?

[madders94]

(Original post by Rooster523)
so rat poison, mouse traps and fly swatters should all be banned?

Pest control is a job and there are some elements of that job you need to be licensed for such as being able to use pesticides - killing animals, unless you are a vet and euthanising them for humane reasons, will never be right.

[Scumbaggio]

(Original post by Rooster523)
so you've gone from


Notice the bold- so you've gone from killing animals is absolutely abhorrent to 'well in some cases it's alright'

and humane? there's nothing humane about mouse traps. 'Here little mouse, look here's some food WHACK! now you're trapped and are going to struggle until you die of stress or starvation.


Don't get me wrong, I'm 100% in favour of pest control. I am however, 100% against animal rights hypocrites who say crimes against animals should be punished the same as crimes against humans...but only on the cute animals that don't annoy people.

I know exactly what you're saying here, I eat meat but I love animals. As a society we've become separated from the actual process that a living creature goes through to become our food. Maybe people shouldn't eat meat if they wouldn't kill the animal or at least watch the slaughter.

It's as great thing that animal welfare has become a lot more important to us but there is a kind of hypocrisy where we send death threats for some cruelty while happily munching on a KFC or eating a halal meal.

I'm guilty of it myself too, seeing those stories makes me dislike humanity and I agree they need extremely harsh treatment but I'll still eat meat even if it is responsibly farmed.

I noticed a mouse problem in my garage recently and bought a live trap, checked it after a day and there was a mouse in there. I was shocked (no idea why) and worried about how long it had been in there so I coerced a mate into driving me to some local woodland to release it.

Is that totally ridiculous?

Maybe but it didn't stop us going for some Kentucky fried cruelty later.

[DuncanMono]

"non-humane" mouse traps are designed to break the creature's neck a fairly quick and painless end, it is the humane traps which have glue that keep an animal until it starves to death.