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Can non-believers get into heaven?

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    (Original post by Above.The.Empyrean)
    Her logic was based on Pascal's wager. She's probably just read it from somewhere inadvertently.
    Yeah someones told me about this. Wonder who put that in to her head. It's the way she was so entirely convinced that it was right that I found frightening.
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    (Original post by Above.The.Empyrean)
    Her logic was based on Pascal's wager. She's probably just read it from somewhere inadvertently.
    Pascal's wager is sooo seventeenth century

    I am pretty sure I remember getting taught this logic at school alongside intelligent design. When you are young, it sounds so reasonable and you quite easily succumb to it. I'd imagine it is standard practise among the more extreme evangelical movements which I assume she is a member of without having watched it.
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    (Original post by zedbrar)
    Pascal's wager is sooo seventeenth century

    I am pretty sure I remember getting taught this logic at school alongside intelligent design. When you are young, it sounds so reasonable and you quite easily succumb to it. I'd imagine it is standard practise among the more extreme evangelical movements which I assume she is a member of without having watched it.
    In the argot of Marxism, how did BLEEP did you achieve such a plenary post count?
    Oh wait, you're just perfidious. Mwuhuhuh. Welcome back me old chum on a jam-sandwich.


    Pascal had a wager.
    Which was false and untrue.
    I had a wager.
    Now I have a shoe.

    © Above the Empyrean.
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    (Original post by BabyfacedDom)
    Also if i was allowed in surely this makes worshipping god pointless? and religious people have effectively wasted their sunday mornings?
    This is the contradiction inherent in religion. If non-believers who are good people are allowed in, then it completely nullifies the threat of hell and any motivation to believe in god.

    If non-believers who are good people are not allowed into heaven, then it means religion is utterly heartless and evil, and I'd rather keep my morality and *not* believe in it than submit to supernatural bullying and abuse.
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    (Original post by Above.The.Empyrean)
    In the argot of Marxism, how did BLEEP did you achieve such a plenary post count?
    Oh wait, you're just perfidious. Mwuhuhuh. Welcome back me old chum on a jam-sandwich.


    Pascal had a wager.
    Which was false and untrue.
    I had a wager.
    Now I have a shoe.

    © Above the Empyrean.

    The profanities! I ask you to say several Hail Mary's as a penance and then after that look at commandment number 2 (not the catholic revised version of the 10 commandments though) >_>

    It's a secret how I achieved the post count :iiam:

    I personally prefer occam's razor to pascal's wager.
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    (Original post by zedbrar)
    The profanities! I ask you to say several Hail Mary's as a penance and then after that look at commandment number 2 (not the catholic revised version of the 10 commandments though) >_>

    It's a secret how I achieved the post count :iiam:

    I personally prefer occam's razor to pascal's wager.

    I prefer Lex parsimoniae. The punny behaviour of me.
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    (Original post by Above.The.Empyrean)
    I prefer Lex parsimoniae. The punny behaviour of me.
    Ah you pedant! I had to google that Let me translate that to the language prefered by Descarte...

    Rasoir d'Ockham
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    (Original post by zedbrar)
    Ah you pedant! I had to google that Let me translate that to the language prefered by Descarte...

    Rasoir d'Ockham
    *chuckles*.
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    (Original post by MrCarmady)

    You believe that the human species has only existed for a thousand or two thousand years? Even under Young Earth Creationism (aka truth-denying lunatism) that's not the case.
    Well then what do you mean by these words: " ushering in your species millions of years ago"?

    Ahh, there are 2 meanings of the word ushering.

    1. Show or guide (someone) somewhere.
    2. Cause or mark the start of (something new).

    I assumed you meant the first.
    And you assumed that I thought the human race started 1000 odd years ago.

    This is quite funny
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    (Original post by TheGrinningSkull)
    Well then what do you mean by these words: " ushering in your species millions of years ago"?

    Ahh, there are 2 meanings of the word ushering.

    1. Show or guide (someone) somewhere.
    2. Cause or mark the start of (something new).

    I assumed you meant the first.
    And you assumed that I thought the human race started 1000 odd years ago.

    This is quite funny
    I wasn't the one who you originally replied to...
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    (Original post by MrCarmady)
    I wasn't the one who you originally replied to...
    lol, okay :L
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    There are 3 main religions in the world Islam,Christianity and Judaism out of these we have 73 sects in Islam, 72 in Christianity and 71 in Judaism. But only 1 of each group would enter Heaven


    N/B a christian or a jew is not a disbeliever as long as s/he follows the right commandments of their holy books.
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    (Original post by Bukhatir)
    There are 3 main religions in the world Islam,Christianity and Judaism out of these we have 73 sects in Islam, 72 in Christianity and 71 in Judaism. But only 1 of each group would enter Heaven


    N/B a christian or a jew is not a disbeliever as long as s/he follows the right commandments of their holy books.
    are these numbers present in any historical sources (and no, scripture doesn't count)? it seems to me like christianity would have a lot more sects than the other two religions due to being more geographically spread out and more popular still
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    Of course they can. God is merciful and forgives everyone for their sins if they ask forgiveness and mean it, no matter what religion they may be if any at all. It may not be their fault if they have been led astray.

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