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Northern Ireland and British self hatredMy friend from Belfast told me last night that we as a United Kingdom need to be doing more to root out terrorist organisations such as Sein Fein and imprisoning them for their crimes against the British people. He wants manhunts for every bomber. If you cannot sympathise I suggest you pour sugar on yourself and set yourself alight to understand what British people are going on there. I believe we're extremely full of self-hatred that we're scared to actually act as an authority in Northern Ireland because of the Southern Irish kicking up a fuss over something that they're keeping alive (not all, but it needs to be stopped).
The British liberals believe that interference in Northern Ireland is somehow undemocratic and aggressive towards the 'Irish people'. I believe we need to ensure that bombs do not go off regularly in Northern Ireland to ensure the safety of our British citizens.
Bombs are a regular occurrence in Northern Ireland. My friend now doesn't care if he lives or dies as a result of this terrorism just so he can enjoy his life to the full. We need to do something. Northern Ireland is British. We should not be scared of enforcing peace there. -
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Re: Northern Ireland and British self hatredI dunno if you heard mate, but the Troubles ended about fifteen years ago. Bombings are no longer a regular occurrence, and in regards to 'enforcing peace', at the height of the violence we had 21,000 troops deployed there.
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Re: Northern Ireland and British self hatredWtf are you talking about?(Original post by Snagprophet)
My friend from Belfast told me last night that we as a United Kingdom need to be doing more to root out terrorist organisations such as Sein Fein and imprisoning them for their crimes against the British people. He wants manhunts for every bomber. If you cannot sympathise I suggest you pour sugar on yourself and set yourself alight to understand what British people are going on there. I believe we're extremely full of self-hatred that we're scared to actually act as an authority in Northern Ireland because of the Southern Irish kicking up a fuss over something that they're keeping alive (not all, but it needs to be stopped).
The British liberals believe that interference in Northern Ireland is somehow undemocratic and aggressive towards the 'Irish people'. I believe we need to ensure that bombs do not go off regularly in Northern Ireland to ensure the safety of our British citizens.
Bombs are a regular occurrence in Northern Ireland. My friend now doesn't care if he lives or dies as a result of this terrorism just so he can enjoy his life to the full. We need to do something. Northern Ireland is British. We should not be scared of enforcing peace there. -
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Re: Northern Ireland and British self hatredyeah those unionists cause nothing but problems(Original post by Sdiff)
Southern Ireland? Most people in Southern Ireland couldn't care less. It's a minority of people in Northern Ireland that causes the problems. -
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Re: Northern Ireland and British self hatredIt's a weird one. In a conflict like that, you can take the view that people are criminals who need to be punished and damn the consequences. However many countries have found that a 'truth and reconciliation' type approach has better outcomes. In essence, we seek people to give up fighting and work towards a joint and peaceful future.
It's quite galling that there are evil Irish Republican (and Loyalist) paramilitary murderers who are either walking the streets or have received extremely short sentences, but the change in Northern Ireland since the height of the Troubles has been considerable. We have even seen former members of the IRA contribute meaningfully to their community and Northern Ireland as a whole, which is nice.
Equally we can also accept that there were reasons why Irish Republicans did not feel well integrated into Northern Irish society before the 1980s. Whilst that does not excuse them resorting to violence, it goes some way towards explaining it, beyond the simple and entirely objectionable ideology of nationalism which they pursued.Last edited by L i b; 01-06-2012 at 11:14. -
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Re: Northern Ireland and British self hatredThe unionists are a majority. I'm talking about extremists who are willing to use violence, be they the ultra nationalists/IRA or the ultra loyalists.(Original post by bestofyou)
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Re: Northern Ireland and British self hatredYeah they are a majority alright, then again it isn't hard to be a majority when you create a manifested border out of thin air. A majority...yes a majority in the same way that the Jews are a majortity in the middle-east.(Original post by Sdiff)
The unionists are a majority. I'm talking about extremists who are willing to use violence, be they the ultra nationalists/IRA or the ultra loyalists.
PS I was joking with my first comment, however saying you replied being serious I thought I would do the same. I tend not to get involved in such matters as they never end well, particularly when they are from a troll such as the OP -
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Re: Northern Ireland and British self hatredLOL, your 'friend' is clearly an imbecile.(Original post by Snagprophet)
My friend from Belfast told me last night that we as a United Kingdom need to be doing more to root out terrorist organisations such as Sein Fein and imprisoning them for their crimes against the British people. He wants manhunts for every bomber. If you cannot sympathise I suggest you pour sugar on yourself and set yourself alight to understand what British people are going on there. I believe we're extremely full of self-hatred that we're scared to actually act as an authority in Northern Ireland because of the Southern Irish kicking up a fuss over something that they're keeping alive (not all, but it needs to be stopped).
The British liberals believe that interference in Northern Ireland is somehow undemocratic and aggressive towards the 'Irish people'. I believe we need to ensure that bombs do not go off regularly in Northern Ireland to ensure the safety of our British citizens.
Bombs are a regular occurrence in Northern Ireland. My friend now doesn't care if he lives or dies as a result of this terrorism just so he can enjoy his life to the full. We need to do something. Northern Ireland is British. We should not be scared of enforcing peace there. -
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Re: Northern Ireland and British self hatredA manifested border out of thin air? How else do borders come about?(Original post by bestofyou)
Yeah they are a majority alright, then again it isn't hard to be a majority when you create a manifested border out of thin air. A majority...yes a majority in the same way that the Jews are a majortity in the middle-east.
PS I was joking with my first comment, however saying you replied being serious I thought I would do the same. I tend not to get involved in such matters as they never end well, particularly when they are from a troll such as the OP
And Jews are a majority in the middle east? News to me.. -
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Re: Northern Ireland and British self hatredYeah well as far as the British Government is concerned thin air is as good a place as any.(Original post by Sdiff)
A manifested border out of thin air? How else do borders come about?
And Jews are a majority in the middle east? News to me..
However tradionally borders tended to be drawn along territorial boundaries, of which were defined by different tribes or to define those the big one is language.
E.g. Indian territory in north america.
Sometimes these territories unite where there are similarities between two territories.
E.g. Germany/Austria, Italy, UK
There are places that exist to today that these traditional borders either do not exist because the traditional people are no longer around in great number or have been integrated to the extent that it simply doesn't matter.
E.g. USA, Canada, most S.American nations etc etc
However there are also places that exist today where the traditional border does no longer exist despite large numbers on the population wanting it to. In these cases borders had been created for no other reason but to create a majority out of a minority.
E.g. For the latter sentence I shall include only Ireland and Palestine however plenty of other people fall into this category.
As I said, I am not getting into an argument on this matter. I regonise the northern irish border exists, and that it is part of the UK and that nationalists are a minority in NI.
However I also recognise the fact that the border was created simply to make a majority out of the unionist minority. For this reason the border was not drawn where Ulster ended like it should have been but as something that had never previously existed.
Given the unfair circumstances that the Home Rule campaign was subject to, in that the vast majority of the island wanted HR, yet due to a tiny (in comparison) minority it was refused and eventually resulted in partition. As a result, while I recognise the existance of NI, I find it rather amusing that unionists play the 'we are a (slight) majority' card as an excuse to remain part of the UK.
As for the Jews in the middle east a bunch of Arabs had their land taken from them, and a Jewish state created in its place. Naturally enough the Arabs where not happy about it however it doesn't matter now because Jews are now the majority in that particular region.Last edited by bestofyou; 01-06-2012 at 18:09. -
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Re: Northern Ireland and British self hatredUnionists are more than a 'slight' majority; Unionism typical has at least 20 points over re-unification in recent polls. And to say they use that as an 'excuse' implies that they have an ulterior motive.(Original post by bestofyou)
As a result, while I recognise the existance of NI, I find it rather amusing that unionists play the 'we are a (slight) majority' card as an excuse to remain part of the UK. -
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Re: Northern Ireland and British self hatredMight want to brush up on your geography...(Original post by bestofyou)
Yeah well as far as the British Government is concerned thin air is as good a place as any.
However tradionally borders tended to be drawn along territorial boundaries, of which were defined by different tribes or to define those the big one is language.
E.g. Indian territory in north america.
Sometimes these territories unite where there are similarities between two territories.
E.g. Germany/Austria, Italy, UK
There are places that exist to today that these traditional borders either do not exist because the traditional people are no longer around in great number or have been integrated to the extent that it simply doesn't matter.
E.g. USA, Canada, most S.American nations etc etc
However there are also places that exist today where the traditional border does no longer exist despite large numbers on the population wanting it to. In these cases borders had been created for no other reason but to create a majority out of a minority.
E.g. For the latter sentence I shall include only Ireland and Palestine however plenty of other people fall into this category.
As I said, I am not getting into an argument on this matter. I regonise the northern irish border exists, and that it is part of the UK and that nationalists are a minority in NI.
However I also recognise the fact that the border was created simply to make a majority out of the unionist minority. For this reason the border was not drawn where Ulster ended like it should have been but as something that had never previously existed.
Given the unfair circumstances that the Home Rule campaign was subject to, in that the vast majority of the island wanted HR, yet due to a tiny (in comparison) minority it was refused and eventually resulted in partition. As a result, while I recognise the existance of NI, I find it rather amusing that unionists play the 'we are a (slight) majority' card as an excuse to remain part of the UK.
As for the Jews in the middle east a bunch of Arabs had their land taken from them, and a Jewish state created in its place. Naturally enough the Arabs where not happy about it however it doesn't matter now because Jews are now the majority in that particular region.
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Re: Northern Ireland and British self hatred?(Original post by Sdiff)
Might want to brush up on your geography...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East
You realise that Isreal is on that map and on the list? -
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Re: Northern Ireland and British self hatredhttp://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=pet...9,r:0,s:0,i:71
THEN - Peter Robinson, Leader of the Democratic Unionist Party and now First Minister of NI.
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=mar...9,r:0,s:0,i:69
THEN - Martin McGuinness, Deputy First Minister of NI, SF Politician and Sinn Fein candidate for the Irish Presidential Election 2011.
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=mar...9,r:7,s:0,i:84
NOW - All smiles...it's better this way.
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Re: Northern Ireland and British self hatred*sigh*
Okay, look at the list, paying specific attention to the population. Remember that the total Jewish population of the world is somewhere around 13 million.
Now, do you still think Jews are a majority in the middle east? -
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Re: Northern Ireland and British self hatredffs(Original post by Sdiff)
*sigh*
Okay, look at the list, paying specific attention to the population. Remember that the total Jewish population of the world is somewhere around 13 million.
Now, do you still think Jews are a majority in the middle east?
You know what I meant by middle-east. You know I meant a certian area in the middle-east called Israel so if you want to reply to me please pick on the main points that I highlight as opposed to insignificant points such as the jewish population in the entire middle east when you quite clearly knew I was hinting at the Jewish population is a small area of the Middle East.
look, as I said. I really don't care for this type of crap. Northern Irish politics is a load of **** and the sooner I get out of here the better cause quite frankly I am longing to settle down in a place where it doesn't matter where the laws of the land come from, what church you go to, where a president or monarch is head of state etc etc what flag flys in the town center, the fact that people object to stunchly to a flag of a soveriegn state yet are happy to fly the flag of an organisation that murdered hundreds of innocents etc etc....
...and for what? Why do we do it? what is the point? Who wins in the end? prehaps everyone is too busy killing and hating each other that we miss the entire point, they miss the point behind why they hate these other people (who somewhere down the line likely share the same blood) they miss the point behind why they are killing them. If they stopped for a second to research it, they would soon see the whole thing is based on paranoid lies, propaganda and the stuff that isn't made up is certainly no reason to hate someone because the have a slight different outlook that yourself. Without sounding cliche, why can't we all just get along? I mean, why not? It sounds so simple.
When did this great evil arrive? What is it? Which seed was sown that lead to its creation and who allowed it to grow into a great menace that would scorch this land and poison the life, seeds and beauty it once held? Perhaps this land would not miss us should we be removed from it, maybe it may flourish for new seeds to grow and prosper without the presence of such poison... -
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Re: Northern Ireland and British self hatredI think that Sein Fein are going to fade into history. They seem to be hopelessly out of touch with a lot of people and the just whine at anything that has any slight connection to the UK.
Just look at the Queen's visit to the Republic of Ireland. Almost everyone in Ireland was in favour of the Queen visiting, the only dissenting voice were SF. Another example was when the SF Mayor of Belfast refused to award a kid with a Duke of Edinburgh's award Certificate. I think that they have lost a fair bit of support because of episodes like that.
