[DannyJC]

God will greet you and give you TSR rep, if you get to heaven of course. Hell is a different story.


Do you believe in love at first sight? It's an illusion, I don't care.

[jmj]

(Original post by leukybear)

[/COLOR]Where will you go when you die? [/B]

Very good post very clear on the Gospel. I'm an amillenialist personally (I believe the 1000 years is a metaphor for the period we're living in now, the gap between Christ's first and second comings and when Jesus comes back the final judgement will happen immediately) but happy to disagree on that issue, agree with everything else you've said

[superglow12]

we dont go anywhere, its our body that stays here and our soul that goes.

[Prime Suspect]

(Original post by leukybear)
so here is a scenario : lets say you been living your life good, been the nicest person to everyone, etc etc

i have been a bad guy, a real bad guy, killing everyone i see etc etc

we both die, why would you want to go same place with me?
or why would you want to be on same level with me?

don't you think there should be a reward for people who lived good lives and a punishment for people that took the piss out of life?

Fairness is even more illusionary than life, since it is a construct of a construct.

[kka25]

(Original post by Gofre)
There's no evidence to suggest we "go" anywhere.

Could you give us some suggestions on how to get one?

[Gofre]

(Original post by kka25)
Could you give us some suggestions on how to get one?

Get one what?

[R4INBOW]

Candy mountain



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[Stiff Little Fingers]

(Original post by blahblah772)
/sarcasm

I did think so, but you can never be sure with this site.

[Zuki]

We become grass

[AmyJ]

Jesus never mentioned Hell as it is currently understood - a place of eternal soul torment, being roasted alive for eternity by demons and sprites etc etc. That is complete Church embellishment/misinterpretation/myth. As has already been discussed by the OP, the King James Bible translates both Gehenna (the valley in Jerusalem, referenced metaphorically by Jesus because his Jewish audience were familiar with it) and Hades (the waiting place/the "unseen") as "Hell" when realistically they were completely different concepts.

The "lake of fire" represents soul death, loss of salvation, complete separation from God. That is what 'Hell' is. Jesus used it in the same way in John 15:6 :

"If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned"

It's not literally a lake of flames!

[Alpharius]

(Original post by AmyJ)
Jesus never mentioned Hell as it is currently understood - a place of eternal soul torment, being roasted alive for eternity by demons and sprites etc etc. That is complete Church embellishment/misinterpretation/myth. As has already been discussed by the OP, the King James Bible translates both Gehenna (the valley in Jerusalem, referenced metaphorically by Jesus because his Jewish audience were familiar with it) and Hades (the waiting place/the "unseen") as "Hell" when realistically they were completely different concepts.

The "lake of fire" represents soul death, loss of salvation, complete separation from God. That is what 'Hell' is. Jesus used it in the same way in John 15:6 :

"If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned"

It's not literally a lake of flames!

Mark 9:43-47,
"And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: and if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire"
Something tell's me you are quite wrong.

[AmyJ]

(Original post by Alpharius)
Mark 9:43-47,
"And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: and if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire"
Something tell's me you are quite wrong.

Do you think Jesus was literally encouraging people to hack off their hands and feet and gouge their eyes out, so that the severed extremities would drop into hell and a crowd of handless, footless, blind sinners would roll into Heaven? Of course not, that's ridiculous. Jesus used imaginative figurative language to explain his message to ordinary, uneducated people - hence all the Parables, the story of the man who built his house on sand etc. 'Hell' is no different; it's the opposite side of the coin to 'the house of many rooms', i.e Heaven.

[Alpharius]

(Original post by AmyJ)
Do you think Jesus was literally encouraging people to hack off their hands and feet and gouge their eyes out, so that the severed extremities would drop into hell and a crowd of handless, footless, blind sinners would roll into Heaven? Of course not, that's ridiculous. Jesus used imaginative figurative language to explain his message to ordinary, uneducated people - hence all the Parables, the story of the man who built his house on sand etc. 'Hell' is no different; it's the opposite side of the coin to 'the house of many rooms', i.e Heaven.

Considering that he told people to forget about their family and wealth to follow him, it wouldn't surprise me at all.

EDIT: That, and you missed the point. You said that Jesus didn't see Hell as a place of eternal fire and torment, when clearly he did.

[cl_steele]

wherever the wind blows.

[justanotherposter]

We obviously stay in our graves for a few years and then rise from the dead to eat brains, haven't zombie films taught you anything?
Seriously though quoting from a book that us non-Christians believe is fiction isn't going to convert anyone to your beliefs.

[AmyJ]

(Original post by Alpharius)
Considering that he told people to forget about their family and wealth to follow him, it wouldn't surprise me at all.

EDIT: That, and you missed the point. You said that Jesus didn't see Hell as a place of eternal fire and torment, when clearly he did.

Jesus used fire as a symbol for irreversible death and loss/rejection of Grace, just like he used 'bread' to symbolise spiritual fulfilment (bread of life, etc) and trees/branches/fruit to symbolise the growth of faith and the spread of the Gospel.

It would make no sense at all for Jesus to believe in eternal torment because he was a Jew, and the Jews didn't (and still don't) believe in that kind of eternal punishment. The Torah doesn't even mention Gehenna by name. The earliest Jewish traditions believed that unrighteous souls would be in Gehenna for a year at most, after which a soul would be given the opportunity to repent and enter the Garden of Eden. Similarly, when Jesus spoke about Hades he was referring to the realm of the dead / the grave, and that was just mindlessly translated to "Hell" as well.

[blahblah772]

(Original post by Alofleicester)
I did think so, but you can never be sure with this site.

listen to your heart, unless jesus is in there

[Alpharius]

(Original post by AmyJ)
Jesus used fire as a symbol for irreversible death and loss/rejection of Grace, just like he used 'bread' to symbolise spiritual fulfilment (bread of life, etc) and trees/branches/fruit to symbolise the growth of faith and the spread of the Gospel.

It would make no sense at all for Jesus to believe in eternal torment because he was a Jew, and the Jews didn't (and still don't) believe in that kind of eternal punishment. The Torah doesn't even mentioned Gehenna by name. The earliest Jewish traditions believed that unrighteous souls would be in Gehenna for a year at most, after which a soul would be given the opportunity to repent and enter the Garden of Eden. Similarly, when Jesus spoke about Hades he was referring to the realm of the dead / the grave, and that was just mindlessly translated to "Hell" as well.

Well, he also believed he was the Messiah, yet the Jews believed their Messiah was going to be a Warrior King. Any look at OT prophesy would tell you that Jesus did not fit the bill.

My point is, he was no conventional Jew. He was handed over for execution for heresy.

[Foghorn Leghorn]

(Original post by leukybear)
jesus christ...whether you believe or not but he was the only one who promised us such.

I think the muslims would have something to say about that.

[>Username<]

I don't think anyone can give a certain answer. I believe in God, but I'm not too sure about where we go.

I think humans in general want to believe there is an after life. Before anyone I knew passed away, I didn't really think about it a lot. But when people passed away in my family it was a comforting idea that they were looking after us from above. This place wasn't heaven nor hell, it was just a thought that our loved ones are watching us. Almost like humans want to believe there is a place after we die, because the thought that when we die, we just die, is a sad thought.

I honestly don't know what I think. If there is some place, how we get there? What happens there? There are simply too many questions.

But then the thought that when we die we go nowhere and we are just in ashes or in the ground, that thought it too scary, which is why I believe there is an afterlife... Not because there is a specific reason or a specific fact more that after we die, we just die and there isn't anything. This thought scares me so I'd like to think there is something...