[durhamppegrad]

Completely anecdotal evidence. Typical Mail/Sun/tabloid gutter talk, taking one sensational headline and trying to extrapolate causality and generate moral panic. Show us a serious study or report that uses empirical data and serious research techniques. This is exactly what the tabloids don't do because (a) serious reports won't produce the kind of results they want (b) therefore won't lend credibility to the far-right reactionary worldview that they peddle and (c) won't be appreciated or understood by their readers because people who read the Mail/Sun/enter other gutter tabloid are generally very undereducated, unthinking, pitchfork wielding Little Englanders who are always out looking for someone to blame, hate or complain about.

Really pathetic, I hope the OP isn't representative of the people going through our education system.

[A Perfect Circle]

(Original post by Darkphilosopher)
I first watched porn when I was 11...
How many people have I raped? 0.
How many people have I wanted to rape? 0.
Do I think women are objects? No.
etc. etc.

Anything can be harmful when given to mentally stunted kids


Well, the Daily mail can go **** itself.

Can someone record this so I can watch it and fap?

[gateshipone]

(Original post by velvetbrain)
While on death row in his last interview, Ted Bundy said that watching hardcore pornography was a key factor in the killings of several innocents.



Maybe it can influence people to an extent, but I'm not sure.

Ah, the well known source of sanity and logic Ted Bundy...

EDIT: Really? Negged for questioning using Ted Bundy as a credible source :s

[sammy-lou]

(Original post by whofan)
the child said he was copying what he saw. the problem is, hardcore porn is everywhere on the internet now, and so like the lawyer said, this case is the tip of the iceberg.

there has to be some sort of regulations so children cannot just look at it whenever they want to. it can't be very healthy for them to view such material at such an early age.

No doubt that statement was encouraged from the defence side of the court though; much easier to claim a child was influenced by pornography than that they actually did something wrong.

I get that it looks like solid proof from that one, isolated incident. But numerous studies that have been carried out in to this area have not shown any valid correlation.

I agree that there should be more effort to restrict children's access to these sorts of media. But the unfortunate fact is that this will be incredibly, incredibly difficult to do, especially without infringing upon an adults right to view pornography if they so wish.

Maybe the parents of this child should be considered. Why were they allowing their child unmonitored internet access? And was there any way that they influenced his behaviour somehow? I think the pornography excuse in this is a very, very reductionist viewpoint.

[Daniel Freedman]

(Original post by Akbar2k7)
This.

No

This merely provides a counterexample to the statement "Watching porn at a young age turns everyone into a rapist"

[bmqib]

I think porn should be illegal, it pollutes the mind.

[A Perfect Circle]

(Original post by bmqib)
I think porn should be illegal, it pollutes the mind.

If you cared so much about the mind being polluted, you wouldn't have made 449 offences.

[ak137]

(Original post by Fusionary)
That's Helen Lovejoy, not Maude (Flanders)... Jeez....

My bad

[sammy-lou]

(Original post by velvetbrain)
While on death row in his last interview, Ted Bundy said that watching hardcore pornography was a key factor in the killings of several innocents.



Maybe it can influence people to an extent, but I'm not sure.

He claims all of the men on Death Row for sexual offences were "heavily involved in porn". That may be so, but aren't a large proportion of the general adult population also watchers of porn? That claim is sort of invalid, plus I'd like to know how he quantifies "heavily involved".

[AspiringGenius]

(Original post by Banishingboredom)
Then film it, and put it on the internet

NO because daily mail readers would turn into rapists!

[Mr Smurf]

[bmqib]

(Original post by A Perfect Circle)
If you cared so much about the mind being polluted, you wouldn't have made 449 offences.

Why so defensive about pornography?

[Muscovite]

(Original post by whofan)
Schoolboy was copying acts he had watched online, court hears.

His lawyer warned that the case was just the 'tip of the iceberg', with many others going unreported.

judge spares the child rapist jail.

why do people say unregulated hardcore porn over the internet is harmless?

--

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1wYYK4BB4

Well OP, it looks like you've been well and truly **** on in this thread

[Jono404]

(Original post by velvetbrain)
While on death row in his last interview, Ted Bundy said that watching hardcore pornography was a key factor in the killings of several innocents.



Maybe it can influence people to an extent, but I'm not sure.

Bundy was quite intelligent, he was just telling the judge and the right wing what they wanted to hear to get a more lenient sentence. This kid's lawyers/parents have probably told him to say this. As for censorship of the internet that is the responsibility of parents, not the government or ISPs, looks like the DM have done a 180 on their usual policy of moaning about the 'nanny state'.

[ediball]

(Original post by Akbar2k7)
This.

You just came back from the bathroom...

@Thread,

Yes, I do think porn should be banned. Sex should be conserved for your partner, not some virtual reality control yourself. It degrades society and women in general, hide your private parts! I feel disgusted knowing what some people are willing to do for money.

Of course, more people will go around selling themselves irl if porn gets banned and there's nothing that I can do about it. However, that doesn't change my view...

[Mr Dangermouse]

I wouldn't say an increase in rape is an excuse to ban porn, even if it was more widespread.

[anatolia3]

(Original post by JCC-MGS)
I don't think anyone in the world has been arguing that 12 year olds watching hardcore porn is okay

I agree, I doubt people who are claiming that minors/children should watch porn in this forum are above 18. And no, everybody who watches porn doesn't turn into into a rapist, but there is a correlation.

[geetar]

If anything, it's just a good defence tactic on the lawyer's part. Rather than the jury being faced with an evil monster, they're now judging an impressionable 12 year old, who was innocently led astray by the evil that is the interwebz. "This was an emulation of an adult act witnessed by him at this young age" - Mr. Templeton has sure earned his legal aid fees.

[Norton1]

(Original post by Mr Dangermouse)
I wouldn't say an increase in rape is an excuse to ban porn, even if it was more widespread.

So even if you could show a direct causal link between the two you'd say that?

[tamimi]

I'm not a fan of porn but I imagine blocking it would lead to even more rape cases due to deprivation. It's a natural need.

Taking into consideration other societies, Saudi Arabia for example, where the government forces ISPs to block all porn sites, since which, the sex crime stats appear to have gone up. Coincidence?