[JollyGreenAtheist]

(Original post by miser)
It rejects the authority of religious dogma, not all spirituality.

My mistake

[Ridingmyego]

Personally, I find most organised religion to be immoral. Although I don't believe a Higher Power exists, that doesn't mean that one doesn't. However, if the God described in the Bible was truly our Creator, then I believe Him to be extremely immoral and cruel.

[Dalek1099]

(Original post by viriol)
Christianity never says you should punish people. In fact, its teachings are of love and forgiveness. And there's not even ground for saying it's contradictory on that :"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth. But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also”, and etc.

It was a typo-I meant to say that it says you shouldn't punish people,who do wrong but yet God does and committed mass genocide,which clearly shows that God is evil and it is a very stupid story,as if only one kind family would have existed,I can't believe people believe this nonsense and if one story in the bible is wrong then the whole thing is wrong.

[concubine]

(Original post by ATCAdam)
With no spiritutal side is it possible? and how many of you would considering adopting it?

A shared moral code amongst a group of people focusing on family values, tradtional beliefs; respecting the elderly for example and rational relationship guidance.

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Of course this wouldn't be a religion. The main problem with so many religions is that they favour the spiritual deity nonsense over morality, despite many followers claims. The existence of perfectly 'moral' atheists shows that religion is irrelevant when it comes to acting morally.

[mmmpie]

So you want an immutable moral code, like what's associated with religion, but no reason provided to follow it.

Don't think that's going to happen...

[viriol]

(Original post by Dalek1099)
It was a typo-I meant to say that it says you shouldn't punish people,who do wrong but yet God does and committed mass genocide,which clearly shows that God is evil and it is a very stupid story,as if only one kind family would have existed,I can't believe people believe this nonsense and if one story in the bible is wrong then the whole thing is wrong.

You see, even though there are people out there who actually believe everything in the Bible was passed down directly from God or something it happens that there are alternative ways of looking at things. "Christianity" includes those ways too.

[Rhadamanthus]

(Original post by viriol)
That's not correct because even though he is a good man he is not Jewish because of that!

Explain what you mean by this?

[viriol]

(Original post by Rhadamanthus)
Explain what you mean by this?

The question is about a group of people who share a moral code with no spiritual side. That is nothing like judaism because as long as you don't embrace its spiritual side you won't belong to their group even if you share their moral code.

[jimmyrussles]

Praise be to allah

[Rhadamanthus]

(Original post by viriol)
The question is about a group of people who share a moral code with no spiritual side. That is nothing like judaism because as long as you don't embrace its spiritual side you won't belong to their group even if you share their moral code.

Not necessarily. I know plenty of non-religious, non-spiritual Jews who live lives as Jews and are welcomed by most of the Jewish community. See Reconstructionist and (some) Reform Jews.

[viriol]

(Original post by Rhadamanthus)
Not necessarily. I know plenty of non-religious, non-spiritual Jews who live lives as Jews and are welcomed by most of the Jewish community. See Reconstructionist and (some) Reform Jews.

First of all, I actually didn't know of those reconstructionists (interesting reading). Still, the majority of Jews aren't that way. However, I still feel that's a different thing - even though it is more "ocidentalised" there is still a spiritual component to those forms of judaism, so people who refuse spirituality will still not belong to such groups (regardless of how great friends they can be with everyone in their communities).

[ATCAdam]

(Original post by mmmpie)
So you want an immutable moral code, like what's associated with religion, but no reason provided to follow it.

Don't think that's going to happen...

Yes a shared collection of morals, it seems most people have adopted their own consciously or intrinsically.

[mmmpie]

(Original post by ATCAdam)
Yes a shared collection of morals, it seems most people have adopted their own consciously or intrinsically.

Yes, that's called society.

[snozzle]

(Original post by Rhadamanthus)
The closest thing we have in the Western world is Judaism. The religion does not require its adherents to believe in any supernatural event to be a good person - it merely asks that Jews adhere to a set of moral laws. A Jewish man who shuns spiritualism but who follows the law to the detail is still a morally good person according to the Jewish religion.

Hmmm a secular Jew might participate in Jewish culture but he's still not a religious Jew.

Your last sentence could apply to Christianity also. The good acts in contrast to faith or grace. Mother Teresa was still doing good acts even after she questioned her faith.

[snozzle]

(Original post by ATCAdam)
Are you suggesting morality and law are the same thing???

Bentham thought they were broadly the same, or came from the same place. Does Hegel see law as just the perfection of morality by reason?